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    The Death of American Capitalism

    JUNE 17, 2009
    by Dr. Marc Faber

    When I consider that prosperity is created by “peace, easy taxes and a tolerable administration of justice,” I begin to fear that the U.S. and other Western governments are doing their very best to impoverish their countries.

    A friend of mine, Michael Berry, whose missives I always read, could not have phrased this idea better than in “Importance of the Individual”, a recent report in which he quotes Milton Friedman in a 1979 interview by Phil Donohue.

    Berry writes: “On February 11, 1979, Milton Friedman took two and a half minutes to explain the critical importance of the individual and choice in the free enterprise system to a doubting Phil Donohue…The individual’s freedom and ability to choose and take risks to create value are, of course, all-important life elements and a cornerstone of our country…

    And yet, Berry continues, “Under the guise of saving the economy, there is a not so stealthy encroachment on the rights of the individual…This is not, ‘Change We Can Believe In.’ It is ‘change we must be wary of.’ Where is Milton Friedman when we really need him? Think carefully about the following interview which was conducted 30 years ago:

    ‘Phil Donohue: When you see around the globe the mal distribution of wealth, the desperate plight of millions of people in underdeveloped countries. When you see so few haves and so many have-nots. When you see the greed and the concentration of power. Did you ever have a moment of doubt about capitalism? And whether greed is a good idea to run on?

    ‘Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? You think Russia doesn’t run on greed? You think China doesn’t run on greed? What is greed? Of course none of us are greedy. It’s only the other fella that’s greedy. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The greatest achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty that you are talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kind of societies that depart from that.

    ‘So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, there is no alternative way, so far discovered, of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.

    ‘Phil Donohue: Seems to reward not virtue as much as the ability to manipulate the system.

    ‘Milton Friedman: And what does reward virtue? You think the Communist commissar rewards virtue? You think a Hitler rewards virtue? Do you think… American presidents reward virtue? Do they choose their appointees on the basis of the virtue of the people appointed or on the basis of political clout? Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? You know, I think you are taking a lot of things for granted. And just tell me where in the world you find these angels that are going to organize society for us? Well, I don’t even trust you to do that.’”

    Certainly, you won’t find any angels at central banks around the world or in the Economics faculties of universities. I needed quite a stiff drink after reading a recent Wall Street Journal article by Harvard Professor Gregory Mankiw, who advocates creating negative real interest rates through inflation and seems to have great sympathy for the outright expropriation of savers’ capital.

    Professor Mankiw declared his faith in the curative powers of inflation in February 1, 2000 article in the dead Wall Street Journal. “When you look at the mistakes of the 1920s and 1930s,” he said, “they were clearly amateurish. It is hard to imagine that happening again - we understand the business cycle much better.”

    The current Federal Reserve Chairman, and of a very large number of US economists, share Mankiw’s perspective – a perspective that he reiterated in a very recent Wall Street Journal piece, entitled, “It May be Time for the Fed to Go Negative” (Wall Street Journal, April 19, 2009).

    “With unemployment rising and the financial system in shambles,” Mankiw observes, “it’s hard not to feel negative about the economy right now. The answer to our problems, however, could well be more negativity. [He means negative interest rates]…Lower interest rates encourage households and businesses to borrow and spend. More spending means more demand for goods and services, which leads to greater employment for workers to meet that demand.

    Inflation is the answer says Mankiw – a Goldilocks style of inflation that is neither too hot nor too cold.

    “Ben S. Bernanke, Fed chairman, is the perfect person to make this commitment to higher inflation,” Mankiw concludes. “Mr. Bernanke has long been an advocate of inflation targeting. In the past, advocates of inflation targeting have stressed the need to keep inflation from getting out of hand. But in the current environment, the goal could be to produce enough inflation to ensure that the real interest rate is sufficiently negative.”

    Unfortunately, inflation is a wolf in sheep’s clothing. It seems relatively tame and friendly. But it is quite the opposite. Inflation leads an economy down the path of impoverishment. If a government is determined to create inflation, there is really nothing standing in the way of its doing so.

    Nevertheless, an investor can – and should –take precautions. When governments speak openly about creating inflation as a cure for macro-economic ills, the seeds of economic malaise are already germinating.

    Gold anyone?

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    Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

    ‘Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? .. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. "

    How stupid can Milton Friedman be.

    Pursuing separate interests does not necessarily equal greed.

    Some people have separate interests which happened to be their impact on history.

    Greed is the pursuit of luxury, wealth, and power for the here and now with little interest about what life might be like after we die.

    Eintsein, for example, was probably far more interested in the fact that his name would ring out 100s of years after he died rather than the fact that he made a few bucks to spend at the 5 and dime down the street.

    I would say history is far more impacted by those who focus on their impact on the world after they are dead than they are by those who are just trying to make their little piles bigger.

    Many great artists follow that theory. Many great mathmaticians. The keplers and galieos, the leonardo da vincis.

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      Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

      Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
      ‘Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? .. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. "

      How stupid can Milton Friedman be.

      Pursuing separate interests does not necessarily equal greed.

      Some people have separate interests which happened to be their impact on history.

      Greed is the pursuit of luxury, wealth, and power for the here and now with little interest about what life might be like after we die.

      Eintsein, for example, was probably far more interested in the fact that his name would ring out 100s of years after he died rather than the fact that he made a few bucks to spend at the 5 and dime down the street.

      I would say history is far more impacted by those who focus on their impact on the world after they are dead than they are by those who are just trying to make their little piles bigger.

      Many great artists follow that theory. Many great mathmaticians. The keplers and galieos, the leonardo da vincis.
      All the greats are 'pure' in that sense. I'd bet Einstein wasn't even worried about his name, just... curious.

      Gandhi? Mother Theresa? Churchill? Martin Luther King? Schindler? Greedy? lol
      It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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      • #4
        Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

        I think the interview says a lot more about Friedman and other 'free-market fundamentalists' than it does about Einstein or whomever. The people in charge of our economy, the people who are listened to and whose theories propagate, the people running our largest institutions and the people who advise them, can't conceive of ambition in any terms besides selfishness and short-term ends. Which is not to say that Communist Russia was some sort of paradise. The idea that any kind of co-operative thinking was forever proved wrong by the failure of the Soviet Union is just playground logic. But it does seem to indicate that an alternative way of thinking, an alternative theory, an alternative system is possible -- because there's such a gaping hole in this one.

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        • #5
          Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

          I liked Friedman but, as most economists do, he understands logic better than he understands people. I like Phil Donohue but like most empaths, especially with a religious bent, he confuses virtue with merit. Capitalism does not require greed as a motivation but it does require that the decision to create capital be constrained by merit. Every time we mix in false merit from a philosophical, religious, political, or racist realm with actual merit in the functional universe we create disaster.

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          • #6
            Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

            Originally posted by *T* View Post
            All the greats are 'pure' in that sense. I'd bet Einstein wasn't even worried about his name, just... curious.

            Gandhi? Mother Theresa? Churchill? Martin Luther King? Schindler? Greedy? lol
            Gandhi, Churchill, MLK, and Schindler, yes, they were greedy. All of them had desires, and desires are essentially greed of a sort.

            Gandhi was "greedy" for want of an independent India and was vehemently opposed to India getting partitioned from the previous colony to allow a Muslim-majority state (what came to be Pakistan), and only accepted it when his party told him it was the only way to avoid civil war.

            Churchill:

            http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?...4&IBLOCK_ID=35

            Europe before Stalingrad was an alien planet, as crazy and bloodthirsty as any Aztec priest. Nobody realizes the complete flip-flop Europe did in 1945. Before that, it was a continent full of insane fascists. Some were braver, better soldiers, or smarter; those are the only real differences.

            And when I say "smarter," I don't want to overdo it, because the Greatest Generation was a bunch of morons. Hitler was the stupidest of all, I grant you that, but he was just the standout in graduating class full of mongoloids in fedoras. Take Churchill, who's supposed to be a God of courage and decency and smarts. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Churchill was a buffoon. He was the moron who got Allied armies into useless Mediterranean campaigns in both World Wars. Gallipoli had Churchill's autograph all over it, and he was so stupid he tried the same crap 25 years later with the Italian adventure. He had this obsession with the "soft underbelly of Europe" which conveniently forgot about these things called "mountain ranges," like the Alps and the Apennines.

            There's another inconvenient fact about Churchill: he was a fascist too, every bit as much as Hitler. Only thing is, you can't blame him much for that, because, and I want y'all to listen up here, everybody in Europe was a fascist until 1943--if they were quick on the uptake enough to see the Wehrmacht was doomed--or 1944, by which time it was obvious even to the moron majority that fascism was now officially taboo. I repeat: everybody in Europe. Fascist to the core.

            Churchill's one and only reason for fighting Hitler was that he didn't want Germany challenging England for world domination. In 1936, Churchill told a British general, "Germany is getting too strong; we must smash her." That was his only objection to the Nazis. No way he could have minded their brutality, because Churchill was always in favor of violence against anybody who opposed British interests. Long before the war, he supported using concentration camps for the Boer women and kids, strafing Indian villages--and here's his enlightened democratic quote on how to deal with the Iraqi Kurds, everybody's favorite persecuted minority, from a 1919 memo: "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned [sic] gas against uncivilized tribes."

            That doesn't make him a bad guy; it just makes him a standard European, pre-1945. They were all like that, only more so. You can go down the list of European countries and come up with a list of homegrown fascist parties, all totally popular and democratic, that make the Nazis look like squeamish moderates. Some of them, like the Iron Guard in Romania, make even me flinch.
            MLK supported reparations.

            Schindler used slave Jewish labor at first to make a ton of money as an industrialist. It was after he saw the actions being taken by the Nazi government that he chose to grow a conscience and save as many Jews as he could.

            These were all good men, but they were flawed. Heck, the one guy said Einstein and said how he wasn't concerned with material wealth but his name being mentioned in 100 years. Hey, so did Hitler and Napoleon. Is greed for money any different than greed for wanting to live in infamy forever? The former have done far less damage in the history of mankind than the latter.

            As far as Friedman, I can care less. The thing I hate about his economic theory is he think it's perfectly fine that the U.S. live with 40% unemployment as all our jobs get shipped to China and India.

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            • #7
              Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

              I think there is a difference between greed and self-interest. Greed is hard to define, but I think it does exist. Like many things, there is always a broad gray area between the black and white on the extremes. The ultra-logical like Friedman can't always see this. Nor can those on the other extreme.( Empaths?) Those strong in one extreme but weak in the other usually don't realize it and will spend most of their energy trying to convince others their way is the correct way.

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              • #8
                Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                Originally posted by rj1 View Post
                Gandhi, Churchill, MLK, and Schindler, yes, they were greedy. All of them had desires, and desires are essentially greed of a sort.

                Gandhi was "greedy" for want of an independent India and was vehemently opposed to India getting partitioned from the previous colony to allow a Muslim-majority state (what came to be Pakistan), and only accepted it when his party told him it was the only way to avoid civil war.

                Churchill:

                http://exile.ru/articles/detail.php?...4&IBLOCK_ID=35



                MLK supported reparations.

                Schindler used slave Jewish labor at first to make a ton of money as an industrialist. It was after he saw the actions being taken by the Nazi government that he chose to grow a conscience and save as many Jews as he could.

                These were all good men, but they were flawed. Heck, the one guy said Einstein and said how he wasn't concerned with material wealth but his name being mentioned in 100 years. Hey, so did Hitler and Napoleon. Is greed for money any different than greed for wanting to live in infamy forever? The former have done far less damage in the history of mankind than the latter.

                As far as Friedman, I can care less. The thing I hate about his economic theory is he think it's perfectly fine that the U.S. live with 40% unemployment as all our jobs get shipped to China and India.
                Interesting article on Churchill. I have to admit I am not that knowledgeable about his later political career, but I recently finished reading about his early life. He was a very unique and interesting man, warts and all. A product of his times of course, with all the racism and sense of superiority that went with being an English aristocrat at that time. But he was intensely patriotic as well as brave. Captured by the Boers, he made a daring escape. He rescued a trooper on the field of battle, even though merely a war correspondent. Braved the horrid Sudan climate and participated in one of the last Cavalry charges in history at Omdurman. The guy was no wimp, and we'd be well served to have his kind running the show today rather than the weasels we have now.

                I think being a leader of a country forces you to make tough decisions. So you can pick apart any leader of that century and find "evil" in something he did. Reagan bombed Ghadaffi and children were killed. The US air war against Germany and Japan was outrageous by today's standards. But you have to look at it in the context of their times. Back then, civilian casualties were considered acceptable as a part of war. Today is really no different, though we claim otherwise, with civilian casualties in Iraq and Chechnya much higher than the military casualties. I think they really have to be judged by their intentions in light of the circumstances. To put Churchill in the same group as Hitler and Mussolini is quite a stretch. Hitler was a thug. Churchill was many things but hardly a thug.

                Back to the topic of greed. I guess it depends on how you define it. Its one of the hardest words to define because it is so subjective. I prefer to use the word "incentive" when it applies to economics. People need an incentive to motivate them, and without it, economies will fail. It really is the critical factor. While I don't think economics is a zero-sum game. I think we can reach a point where the game is so rigged by those who have control that the system will self destruct at some point.
                Last edited by flintlock; August 30, 2009, 02:44 PM.

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                • #9
                  Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                  Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                  ‘Milton Friedman: Well first of all tell me, is there some society you know that doesn’t run on greed? .. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. "

                  How stupid can Milton Friedman be.

                  Pursuing separate interests does not necessarily equal greed.

                  Some people have separate interests which happened to be their impact on history.

                  Greed is the pursuit of luxury, wealth, and power for the here and now with little interest about what life might be like after we die.

                  Eintsein, for example, was probably far more interested in the fact that his name would ring out 100s of years after he died rather than the fact that he made a few bucks to spend at the 5 and dime down the street.

                  I would say history is far more impacted by those who focus on their impact on the world after they are dead than they are by those who are just trying to make their little piles bigger.

                  Many great artists follow that theory. Many great mathmaticians. The keplers and galieos, the leonardo da vincis.
                  Well said, Blaze.

                  "A politician thinks only of the next election; a statesman thinks of the next generation"
                  Winston Churchill

                  It should be obvious that at the present time statesmen are in very short supply.

                  Originally posted by blazespinnaker View Post
                  Greed is the pursuit of luxury, wealth, and power for the here and now with little interest about what life might be like after we die.
                  "A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, And loving favor rather than silver and gold."
                  Proverbs 22:1

                  It helps to remember that the only things you can take with you are those you gave away.

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                  • #10
                    Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                    The problem with tacit acceptance of free market ideology is that everyone plays by the rules. Anyone who's ever heard of the problems coming out of college and professional sports should know better (or how about those Olympics and all the doping). For every successful person who plays by the rules, there are a host of others who feel that their success is a zero sum game where they have to screw or exploit others to stay on top. These are the folks who don't fall neatly into Friedman and Milton's quaint economic models but who manage to destroy productive industry through market manipulation (www.deepcapture.com), high frequency trading scams (www.zerohedge.com), regulatory capture, legislated monopolies that destroy true competition, and a host of other schemes and scams that stack the deck against the honest player.

                    For those of you who grew up in antiseptic laden households and never met a kid who didn't try to cheat at a game of kickball or other competitive sport, welcome to the Real World. I think it is right to assume that Capitalism is under assault. However, it is not coming from the loony left or the rabid right. It is from those who see to usurp the system for their own financial benefit. Whether you are a right winger, a lefty, or a libertarian, drop the rhetoric and the ideology, wake up, and look at who the real enemy is.

                    The true Capitalists are the small business owners, those who build up a large, profitable corporation from scratch, and those think of the next big idea and bring it to fruition. Until you remove the economic parasites that feed on the hard work and ideas of others, who use other people's money to play Wall Street Casino, Capitalism as we like to think of it doesn't exist.

                    Welcome to the New America

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                    • #11
                      Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                      Originally posted by Raz View Post

                      It helps to remember that the only things you can take with you are those you gave away.
                      Love that Raz - Thank you

                      As for Friedman - according to Steve Keen neo-liberal economics is not so much derived from Adam Smith's invisible hand. In so far as Smiths' invisible hand was derived from Jeremy Benthams philosophy of Utilitarianism, where the hedonistic "rational" consumer is trying to maximize his pleasure ("utils") and minimize his pain. Keen asserts that economics is an effort to derive a science from this belief with the consequence that it is riddled with contractions. Based on the past history of the "success" of the "science" of economy it is hard to argue with him.

                      http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html

                      I would say Friedman subscribed heavily to hedonistic
                      Utilitarianism, whether formally or not is another question.

                      In regard to Churchhill, WW2 withstanding, he has much blood on his hands - example of his superiority complex is below, it is never a good thing when such men are at the helm imo, lots of people die. although invariably these are the ones who seem to arrive there.

                      Arthur Herman’s Gandhi & Churchill (New York: Bantam, 2008, reviewed in Finest Hour 138: 51-52). There is quite a lot on the Bengal Famine (pp 512 et. seq.), which Herman believes “did more than Gandhi to undermine Indian confidence in the Raj.” Secretary of State for India Leo Amery, Herman writes, “at first took a lofty Malthusian view of the crisis, arguing that India was ‘overpopulated’ and that the best strategy was to do nothing. But by early summer even Amery was concerned and urged the War Cabinet to take drastic action.... For his part, Churchill proved callously indifferent. Since Gandhi's fast his mood about India had progressively darkened.....[He was] resolutely opposed to any food shipments. Ships were desperately needed for the landings in Italy....Besides, Churchill felt it would do no good. Famine or no famine, Indians will ‘breed like rabbits.’ Amery prevailed on him to send some relief, albeit only a quarter what was needed.”
                      Last edited by Diarmuid; August 30, 2009, 06:07 PM.
                      "that each simple substance has relations which express all the others"

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                      • #12
                        Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                        Nevertheless, an investor can – and should –take precautions. When governments speak openly about creating inflation as a cure for macro-economic ills, the seeds of economic malaise are already germinating.

                        Gold anyone?
                        But not at any price...only at lower range prices !

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                        • #13
                          Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                          Originally posted by icm63 View Post
                          But not at any price...only at lower range prices !
                          if i had an oz of gold for every time i got a hot gold buying timing tip on itulip since 2001... i'd retire.

                          @ $300... it's going to $200 because blah, blah. blah!

                          @ $400... it's going to $300 because blah, blah. blah!

                          @ $500... it's going to $400 because blah, blah. blah!

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by metalman View Post
                            if i had an oz of gold for every time i got a hot gold buying timing tip on itulip since 2001... i'd retire.

                            @ $300... it's going to $200 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $400... it's going to $300 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $500... it's going to $400 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $600... it's going to $500 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $700... it's going to $600 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $800... it's going to $700 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $900... it's going to $800 because blah, blah. blah!

                            @ $950... it's going to $850 because blah, blah. blah!

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                            Metalman, I have some ointment you can use on that forehead of yours. Work's wonders.... umm, well it will help.

                            Damn you are funny.

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                            • #15
                              Re: The Death of American Capitalism by Marc Faber (Dr. Doom)

                              Originally posted by Diarmuid View Post
                              Love that Raz - Thank you

                              As for Friedman - according to Steve Keen neo-liberal economics is not so much derived from Adam Smith's invisible hand. In so far as Smiths' invisible hand was derived from Jeremy Benthams philosophy of Utilitarianism, where the hedonistic "rational" consumer is trying to maximize his pleasure ("utils") and minimize his pain. Keen asserts that economics is an effort to derive a science from this belief with the consequence that it is riddled with contractions. Based on the past history of the "success" of the "science" of economy it is hard to argue with him.

                              http://www.utilitarianism.com/utilitarianism.html

                              I would say Friedman subscribed heavily to hedonistic
                              Utilitarianism, whether formally or not is another question.

                              In regard to Churchhill, WW2 withstanding, he has much blood on his hands - example of his superiority complex is below, it is never a good thing when such men are at the helm imo, lots of people die. although invariably these are the ones who seem to arrive there.

                              Arthur Herman’s Gandhi & Churchill (New York: Bantam, 2008, reviewed in Finest Hour 138: 51-52). There is quite a lot on the Bengal Famine (pp 512 et. seq.), which Herman believes “did more than Gandhi to undermine Indian confidence in the Raj.” Secretary of State for India Leo Amery, Herman writes, “at first took a lofty Malthusian view of the crisis, arguing that India was ‘overpopulated’ and that the best strategy was to do nothing. But by early summer even Amery was concerned and urged the War Cabinet to take drastic action.... For his part, Churchill proved callously indifferent. Since Gandhi's fast his mood about India had progressively darkened.....[He was] resolutely opposed to any food shipments. Ships were desperately needed for the landings in Italy....Besides, Churchill felt it would do no good. Famine or no famine, Indians will ‘breed like rabbits.’ Amery prevailed on him to send some relief, albeit only a quarter what was needed.”
                              I've read a fair amount about Churchill and eight of the books he authored.
                              He once said that history would treat him well because he intended to write it!

                              He was in fact a racist, and if he was a fascist it was more like "fascist light".

                              "You can go down the list of European countries and come up with a list of homegrown fascist parties,
                              all totally popular and democratic, that make the Nazis look like squeamish moderates."

                              I cannot agree with this statement from the article quoted by Rj1.

                              I'm sure there were some pretty bad guys organized politically in many European countries during the 1920s and 30s.
                              But to say they made the Nazis look like "sqeamish moderates" sounds more hyperbolic than factual.

                              You would have to think Pol Pot was a moderate to favorably compare Himmler and Heydrich to anyone of like persuasion.

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