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    steve keen thinks in a fractional reserve system there cannot be reinflation from where we are at. That the whole system would have to change to pure Fiat system to get the friedman dynamics of more money chasing fewer goods. This article from Mile Whitney sounds very similar to Steve's ideas to me. Is iTulip propsing a fiat system to dominate a fractional reserve one in order to create inflation?





    The Perils of Securitization

    The Biggest Rip Off Ever?

    By MIKE WHITNEY
    Is it possible to make hundreds of billions of dollars in profits on securities that are backed by nothing more than cyber-entries into a loan book?
    It's not only possible; it's been done. And now the scoundrels who cashed in on the swindle have lined up outside the Federal Reserve building to trade their garbage paper for billions of dollars of taxpayer-funded loans. Meanwhile, the credit bust has left the financial system in a shambles and driven the economy into the ground like a tent stake. The unemployment lines are growing longer and consumers are cutting back on everything from nights-on-the-town to trips to the grocery store. And it's all due to a Ponzi-finance scam that was concocted on Wall Street and spread through the global system like an aggressive strain of flu. This isn't a normal recession; the financial system was blown up by greedy bankers who used "financial innovation" game the system and inflate the biggest speculative bubble of all time. And they did it all legally, using a little-known process called securitization.
    Securitization--which is the conversion of pools of loans into securities that are sold in the secondary market--provides a means for massive debt-leveraging. The banks use off-balance sheet operations to create securities so they can avoid normal reserve requirements and bothersome regulatory oversight. Oddly enough, the quality of the loan makes no difference at all, since the banks make their money on loan originations and other related fees. What matters is quantity, quantity, quantity; an industrial-scale assembly line of fetid loans dumped on unsuspecting investors to fatten the bottom line. And, boy, can Wall Street grind out the rotten paper when there's no cop on the beat and the Fed is cheering from the bleachers. In an analysis written by economist Gary Gorton for the Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta’s 2009 Financial Markets Conference titled, "Slapped in the Face by the Invisible Hand; Banking and the Panic of 2007", the author shows that mortgage-related securities ballooned from $492.6 billion in 1996 to $3,071.1 in 2003, while asset backed securities (ABS) jumped from $168.4 billion in 1996 to $1,253.1 in 2006. All told, more than $20 trillion in securitized debt was sold between 1997 to 2007. How much of that debt will turn out to be worthless as foreclosures skyrocket and the banks balance sheets come under greater and greater pressure?
    Deregulation opened Pandora's box, unleashing a weird mix of shady off-book operations (SPVs, SIVs) and dodgy, odd-sounding derivatives that were used to amplify leverage and stack debt on tinier and tinier scraps of capital. It's easy to make money, when one has no skin in the game. That's how hedge fund managers and private equity sharpies get rich. Securitization gave the banks the opportunity to take substandard loans from applicants who had no way of paying them back, and magically transform them into Triple A securities. "Abra-kadabra". The Wall Street public relations throng boasted that securitization "democratized" credit because more people could borrow at better rates since funding came from investors rather than banks. But it was all a hoax. The real objective was to turbo-charge profits by skimming hefty salaries and bonuses on the front end, before people found out they'd been hosed. The former head of the FDIC, William Seidman, figured it all out back in 1993 when he was cleaning up after the S&L fiasco. Here's what he said in his memoirs:
    “Instruct regulators to look for the newest fad in the industry and examine it with great care. The next mistake will be a new way to make a loan that will not be repaid.”
    That's it in a nutshell. The banks never expected the loans would be paid back, which is why they issued them to applicants with no income, no collateral, no job, and a bad credit history. It made no sense at all, especially to anyone who's ever sat through a nerve-wracking credit check with a sneering banker. Trust me, bankers know how to get their money back, if that's their real intention. In this case, it didn't matter. They just wanted to keep their counterfeiting racket zooming ahead at full-throttle for as long as possible. Meanwhile, Maestro Greenspan waved pom-poms from the sidelines, extolling the virtues of the "new economy" and the permanent high plateau of prosperity that had been achieved through laissez faire capitalism. Why would anyone care what Greenspan thinks? The Fed is just a branch office of the banking cartel anyway.
    Now that the securitization bubble has burst, 40 per cent of the credit which had been coursing into the economy has been cut off triggering a 1930's-type meltdown. Fed chief Bernanke has stepped into the breach and provided a $13 trillion dollar backstop to keep the financial system from collapsing, but the broader economy has continued its historic nosedive. Bernanke is trying to fill the chasm that opened up when securitization ground to a halt and gas started exiting the credit bubble in one mighty whooosh. The deleveraging is ongoing, despite the Fed's many programs to rev up securitization and restore speculative bubblenomics. Bernanke's latest brainstorm, the Term Asset-backed securities Lending Facility (TALF), provides 94 per cent public funding for investors willing to buy loans backed by credit card debt, student loans, auto loans or commercial real estate loans. It's a "no lose" situation for big investors who think that securitized debt will stage a comeback. But that's the problem; no one does. Attractive, non recourse (nearly) risk free loans have failed to entice the big brokerage houses and hedge fund managers. Bernanke has peddled less than $30 billion in a program that's designed to lend up to $1 trillion. It's been a complete bust.
    To understand securitization, one must think like a banker. Bankers believe that profits are constrained by reserve requirements. So, what they really want is to expand credit with no reserves; the equivalent of spinning flax into gold. Securitization and derivatives contracts achieve that objective. They create a confusing netherworld of odd-sounding instruments and bizarre processes which obscure the simple fact that they are creating money out of thin air. That's what securitization really is; undercapitalized junk masquerading as precious jewels. Here's how economist Henry CK Liu sums it up in his article "Mark-to-Market vs. Mark-to-Model":
    "The shadow banking system has deviously evaded the reserve requirements of the traditional regulated banking regime and institutions and has promoted a chain-letter-like inverted pyramid scheme of escalating leverage, based in many cases on nonexistent reserve cushion. This was revealed by the AIG collapse in 2008 caused by its insurance on financial derivatives known as credit default swaps (CDS).....
    The Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Federal Reserve jointly allowed banks with credit default swaps (CDS) insurance to keep super-senior risk assets on their books without adding capital because the risk was insured. Normally, if the banks held the super-senior risk on their books, they would need to post capital at 8 per cent of the liability. But capital could be reduced to one-fifth the normal amount (20 per cent of 8 per cent, meaning $160 for every $10,000 of risk on the books) if banks could prove to the regulators that the risk of default on the super-senior portion of the deals was truly negligible, and if the securities being issued via a collateral debt obligation (CDO) structure carried a Triple-A credit rating from a “nationally recognized credit rating agency”, such as Standard and Poor’s rating on AIG.
    With CDS insurance, banks then could cut the normal $800 million capital for every $10 billion of corporate loans on their books to just $160 million, meaning banks with CDS insurance can loan up to five times more on the same capital. The CDS-insured CDO deals could then bypass international banking rules on capital. (Henry CK Liu, "Mark-to-Market vs. Mark-to-Model"
    The same rule applies to derivatives (CDS) as securitized instruments; neither is sufficiently capitalized because setting aside reserves impairs one's ability to maximize profits. It's all about the bottom line. The reason credit default swaps are so cheap, compared to conventional insurance, is that there's no way of knowing whether the dealer has the ability to pay claims. Its fraud, on a gigantic scale, which is why the financial system went into full-blown paralysis when Lehman Bros defaulted. No one knew whether trillions of dollars in counterparty contracts would be paid out or not. There are simply more claims on wealth than there is money in the system. Bogus mortgages and phony counterparty promises mean nothing. "Show me the money". The system is underwater, and it cannot be fixed by more of the Fed's presto liquidity.
    The shadow banking system has collapsed, not because the market is "frozen" or because investors are in a state of panic after Lehman, but because derivatives and securitization have been exposed as a fraud propped up on insufficient capital. It's snake oil sold by charlatans. That's why European policymakers are resisting the Fed's requests to create a facility similar to the TALF to start up securitization again.
    Bernanke's job is to step in and put an end to the hanky-panky, not add to the problems by restoring a credit-generating regime that transferred hundreds of billions of dollars from hard-working people to fatcat banksters and Wall Street flim-flammers.
    Mike Whitney lives in Washington state. He can be reached at fergiewhitney@msn.com

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    Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

    Marvenger,

    I like Steve Keen and respect the work he does.

    But Steve is a monetarist. Ultimately he expects the system to abide by its supposed charter - therefore money won't be printed beyond certain boundaries.

    But such boundaries are figments of imagination much as currencies are.

    iTulip has talked at great length about ways which inflation can occur - including:

    1) currency devaluation
    2) currency printing
    3) supply shock
    4) credit expansion
    5) productivity growth/fall

    Each of these is not mutually exclusive.

    For example: currency printing is a normal activity. As the population and its productivity grow, more money should come into being to represent this addition 'value'.

    Greenspan, for example, used the productivity excuse to keep interest rates too low. Productivity was rising as he stated, but not at the levels justifying the money/credit supply expansion that was going on.

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    • #3
      Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

      I have thought that maybe Steve is too caught up in his fractional reserve modeling, but this also gives him a better idea than most about the level of stimulus needed outside of creating more debt, i.e. printing, in order to prevent deflation. It seems his argument is that it is so large and so at odds to how the banking system and the economy function at present that it would be a totally different world and that it won't happen, it politically won't be allowed to happen.


      I know things are extremely complicated but I’m trying to simplify it as much as possible, perhaps I’ve gone too far.


      What I’m trying to get at is: does iTulip think a drastic change toward a fiat dominant system is an essential element to inflation as per Steve Keen? Then to me it comes down to a political question of whether the required printing will happen.

      I know that there’s many other elements to itulip’s thesis such as foreign held dollars flooding the domestic market or their attempt to be sold for non US currency severely depreciating the US currency causing cost-push inflation. But I’d just like iTulip’s view on the printing side of things; as everyone keeps saying the banking sector owns everything including Washington, but their baby is fractional reserve banking, if Fed prints like crazy they’re going to erode their legitimacy, their power source. Keen seems to think the extent they will need to print to prevent deflation will totally alter the system and therefore this strategy will be abandoned before inflation results. Where does iTulip disagree with this?

      · is it that significantly changing the fractional reserve system to the extent Steve suggests won’t be a problem, my emphasis on being a problem for those that gain their power by running it
      · is it that significant printing to the extent of drastically altering the system won’t be necessary due to currency devaluation (while this seems to be a very important aspect to iTulips kaPoom thesis I’m unsure if it is the essential element, i.e. if inflation will result without the need for significant printing)
      Last edited by marvenger; June 06, 2009, 10:55 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

        To repeat what others have said, you may not have monetary inflation but you can have inflation through currency repudiation. Allow me to over-simplify:

        Say I issue 100 "*T*-notes" which are backed by gold in a given ratio. Then I change the backing to backing by the same weight of copper. There will be inflation in *T*-land, in terms of cost, but no inflation in monetary terms.

        iTulip and Sinclair have both repeated this a zillion times in their own ways.
        It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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        • #5
          Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

          thanks. maybe I've been missing the jist of things but I mainly seem to hear monetarist type arguments from iTulip about more money chasing fewer goods.

          I think what Steve is saying is that the inflation has already happened with debt being backed by NINJAs in fractional reserve ponzi scheme and the bottom of the barrel has now been emptied.

          So iTulip thinks that the inflation that has been exported is going to come back home. It makes sense to me theoretically but in practice with all sorts of devious ways for the US to get out of its obligations I still have my doubts.

          With all the taxpayer bailouts the backing for money is improving at the moment at the expense of future generations of joesixpacks who will be paying all the tax according to Hudson. Once the elites have fleeced J6P do they flee the country or do they stick around, because they need the sovereign holding company to protect themselves, and try to get J6P out of his forced obligations(to foreigners) in order to keep the country relatively strong. They'll still try and suck as much out of J6P for themselves of course.

          The way Hudson says that the elites are just siphoning off everything overseas makes me think that maybe printing and the repatriation of inflation from overseas is an option. But surely this is risky and they are giving up one hell of an advantage by letting the strength of the sovereignty of the US disappear and therefore they are going to seriously try and srew the foreigners.

          I've digressed from steve keens argument a bit but its still similar because the status quo will try to be preserved and its not inflationary from where we are at the end of ponzi scheme.

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          • #6
            Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

            isn't this already settled?

            debt deflation w/gold standard 1929 - 1933




            debt deflation without gold standard 2007 - 2009



            deflation is over. it's like arguing about the results of last election.

            speaking of deflation, over at mishmash's site the winning predictions keep on coming!

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            • #7
              Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              Marvenger,

              I like Steve Keen and respect the work he does.

              But Steve is a monetarist. Ultimately he expects the system to abide by its supposed charter - therefore money won't be printed beyond certain boundaries.

              But such boundaries are figments of imagination much as currencies are.

              iTulip has talked at great length about ways which inflation can occur - including:

              1) currency devaluation
              2) currency printing
              3) supply shock
              4) credit expansion
              5) productivity growth/fall

              Each of these is not mutually exclusive.

              For example: currency printing is a normal activity. As the population and its productivity grow, more money should come into being to represent this addition 'value'.

              Greenspan, for example, used the productivity excuse to keep interest rates too low. Productivity was rising as he stated, but not at the levels justifying the money/credit supply expansion that was going on.
              c1ue,

              You've spoken highly of Hudson in past posts.
              What do you make of his prediction of deflation? He says that all the stimulus money has gone to paying interest and recovering lost asset values -- the consumer is not getting any of it. As a result, prices are not going up.
              raja
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              • #8
                Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                Raja,

                I respect Dr. Hudson a great deal.

                In my view when Dr. Hudson speaks of deflation - he refers to housing, CRE, and credit.

                Dr. Hudson rarely speaks of oil, grocery prices, or gold (commodities) nor currencies.

                If this context is true, then his statements on deflation rhyme well with the iTulip view: deflation on assets, inflation on commodities.

                The question to lay before him would be whether his deflation view encompasses a true 1930s era Great Depression across the board given the significantly different environment today vs. then.

                Dr. Keen is more on the monetarist's side: the collapse in the securitization model must be accompanied by falling prices due to falling credit/money supply.

                But again the possible omission is commodity prices and currencies.

                As for your question: Dr. Hudson is quite correct - the stimulus money is not making its way to where it can counteract the deflationary forces of falling credit at the consumer level.

                However stimulus money alone is not the only path by which inflation can occur. The devaluation of the dollar is one possible path - I point out a few others in another thread.

                I would love to see a followup interview with Dr. Hudson to understand his view on these subjects.

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                • #9
                  Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                  Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                  If this context is true, then his statements on deflation rhyme well with the iTulip view: deflation on assets, inflation on commodities.
                  Yes! Predictions of inflation or deflation should include mention of what it is that will inflate or deflate. We are not dealing here with a rising monetary tide that rises all asset class boats, nor with the inverse. We are in a storm in which some boats will rise, some fall, some sink, some get lost at sea and some break up on the shoreline. The sea-plane owned by a savvy and wealthy person might even take off in flight.
                  Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                    Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                    Yes! Predictions of inflation or deflation should include mention of what it is that will inflate or deflate. We are not dealing here with a rising monetary tide that rises all asset class boats, nor with the inverse. We are in a storm in which some boats will rise, some fall, some sink, some get lost at sea and some break up on the shoreline. The sea-plane owned by a savvy and wealthy person might even take off in flight.

                    After 6 years of construction boom, there are more houses than there are people.

                    There are more malls than there are shoppers.

                    There is too much gas coming out of oil fields than people can use them.

                    There are more automobiles than people can pay for them.

                    There are more bankers and fund managers than there are investors.


                    The question is, can you inflate when supply massively exceeds demand?

                    If you can, i'm all for the inflationist theory. lol

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                    • #11
                      Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                      Originally posted by touchring View Post
                      After 6 years of construction boom, there are more houses than there are people.

                      There are more malls than there are shoppers.

                      There is too much gas coming out of oil fields than people can use them.

                      There are more automobiles than people can pay for them.

                      There are more bankers and fund managers than there are investors.


                      The question is, can you inflate when supply massively exceeds demand?

                      If you can, i'm all for the inflationist theory. lol
                      The malls, houses, autos, mutual funds and fat bankers will deflate, yes, for quite a while.

                      The spot price of oil and gas is already rising more often than falling, even as inventories pile up. But even doesn't tell us much in the bit longer term of a year or five. Soon enough, the last great bubble will finish deflating, while the major national governments remain either trying to pump liquidity into the market (U.S. and Euro, for example) or trying to get something useful for their hoard of Treasuries (China, Japan and Saudi Arabia, for example.)

                      Also soon enough, as the collapse of the FIRE economy burns out and the depression deepens, then some things, such as food and energy, will be both in high demand because people still need them and in short supply due to the collapse of the capital markets required to keep these industries running. At that point, if not sooner, the black hole of the financial collapse will have mostly shrunk in on itself, and the dollars from both politicians in Washington, DC and central banks holding dollars will flood the American market, whose consumers will be facing empty store shelves and gas lines. The collapse of the FIRE economy will have caused substantial supply side damage to the worlds food and energy markets.

                      At this point, the price of essentials such as food and gas in America will be bid up, and most Americans will spit the word "inflation" at you like a four letter cuss word.

                      Marble counter tops will be worth nothing. Abandoned McMansions and strip mall fronts will be a drug and a drag on local economies, as they already are in parts of Detroit now.

                      I'm not doing a very good job here of presenting KaPOOM theory, both because I'm a newbie at it, and because I habitually tend to "roll my own" way of putting things. But both what I'm saying and what I think iTulip KaPOOM is forecasting is a two step process. First a collapse of the FIRE economy including deflation of paper and speculative assets, then selective inflation as a firehose of dollars and treasuries (from both foreign and domestic sources) floods the lunar landscape left in America from the FIRE burn.

                      Just how that second step looks in other nations, outside the USA, I don't know. Since the dead and dying dollars will come home (USA) to be buried, other nations will have different sorts of problems.

                      In the first step, everything that could be traded (and what doesn't have a price tag these days) deflates. In the second step, only that which is essential reflates, perhaps with stunning speed ... hunger will do that to you.
                      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                        Pthonic cow
                        "Just how that second step looks in other nations, outside the USA, I don't know. Since the dead and dying dollars will come home (USA) to be buried, other nations will have different sorts of problems."

                        You are sure right about that!!! There looks to be one hell of a shortage of USD from this amateur's viewpoint.
                        Amazing! Whodathunkit??? Certainly not this clown a while back!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Is fiat system required to create inflation from here?

                          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                          Raja,

                          I respect Dr. Hudson a great deal.

                          In my view when Dr. Hudson speaks of deflation - he refers to housing, CRE, and credit.

                          Dr. Hudson rarely speaks of oil, grocery prices, or gold (commodities) nor currencies.

                          If this context is true, then his statements on deflation rhyme well with the iTulip view: deflation on assets, inflation on commodities.

                          The question to lay before him would be whether his deflation view encompasses a true 1930s era Great Depression across the board given the significantly different environment today vs. then.

                          Dr. Keen is more on the monetarist's side: the collapse in the securitization model must be accompanied by falling prices due to falling credit/money supply.

                          But again the possible omission is commodity prices and currencies.

                          As for your question: Dr. Hudson is quite correct - the stimulus money is not making its way to where it can counteract the deflationary forces of falling credit at the consumer level.

                          However stimulus money alone is not the only path by which inflation can occur. The devaluation of the dollar is one possible path - I point out a few others in another thread.

                          I would love to see a followup interview with Dr. Hudson to understand his view on these subjects.
                          Hudson said something to the effect that consumers had no money to spend, presumably for typical consumer products. So I believe he was referring to more than just housing, etc.

                          In any event . . . EJ/Fred, can we have a follow-up interview with Hudson to discuss this issue?
                          raja
                          Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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