Big News from London

[Mega]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6396042.ece

Very little surrport for Brown now, i expect some last moment Lefty polto moves to try to shore up some Labour vote. However because Labour jet-a-send those poltics 10 years ago & became a Tory-mark 2 party they little chance.

The working class white man, Labour heart land is SO pissed with them over Iraq/mass un controled Imports of people from overseas etc that they lost touch.

I saw a TV program on the other night that showed "Labour" surrporters at a Labour club in Manchester hanging up BNP signs. When asked "Why don't you remove them?"......They said that rank & file Labour members themselves had put them there!

This IS the endgame.
Mike

[Mega]

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Yes, its getting HOT:-
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/a...nce-Cable.html
Mike

[Starving Steve]

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I always thought that if I ever lived in the UK, I would be pro-Labour. But in recent years, what has Labour stood for in the UK; what is their platform or their plan? Or is Labour in the U.K. lost in windmill dreamland, just like the Obama Democrats apparently are in the U.S?

I read The Road to Wiggin Pier by George Orwell. The book was about the suffering of coal miners in Britain during the Depression; they would work all week in a coal-mine underground for a half crown ( 2shillings and a six pence ) worth about 60cents in U.S. money. That book and my childhood roots in northern Minnesota with my grandparents being strong Democrat-Farmer-Labour supporters make me lean, even now at age 60, toward the cause of Labour in the UK, at least in theory.

But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

[hayekvindicated]

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But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

Spin, spin and more spin.

[*T*]

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But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

Labour = Tory II

The joke was Tony P Blair is an anagram of Tory Plan B.

[Guest]

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Steve - they have a tradition of skewering their Prime Ministers *mercilessly* over there. Biggest national sport. I mean they flay them - pulling off strips of the hide, on regular occasions. Make our president-spearing look tame.

I always thought that if I ever lived in the UK, I would be pro-Labour. But in recent years, what has Labour stood for in the UK; what is their platform or their plan? Or is Labour in the U.K. lost in windmill dreamland, just like the Obama Democrats apparently are in the U.S?

I read The Road to Wiggin Pier by George Orwell. The book was about the suffering of coal miners in Britain during the Depression; they would work all week in a coal-mine underground for a half crown ( 2shillings and a six pence ) worth about 60cents in U.S. money. That book and my childhood roots in northern Minnesota with my grandparents being strong Democrat-Farmer-Labour supporters make me lean, even now at age 60, toward the cause of Labour in the UK, at least in theory.

But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

[bungee]

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But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

ID cards for everyone, a database with all your details on from birth to death accessible by any civil servant (overbudget), going against manifesto pledges, totally in love with a federalist Europe, Massive public debt with not a lot to show for it, strong clampdown on demonstrations (even banned in some locations), mass uncontrolled immigration, massive increase in overall taxes, millennium dome / Olympics fiasco, regionalisation of UK for European control, innocent citizens DNA stored on police database for life, explosion in quangos, detention without trial for 45(?) days, massive increase in police powers supposedly to combat terrorism, belief they can put in all right in the next 12 months!

[Chris]

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But I don't live in the UK, so fill me in on what Labour stands for to-day?

The same as every socialist government that faces no opposition. Authoritarianism, social decay, favours for the rich (as long as they are not bourgeois), favours for the ruling political elite, handouts and high taxes for everyone else, deep anti-religious sentiment (which was why Blair was hated by the old Left of the Labour party), etc.

The form may be different but the roots are the same.

[*T*]

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Steve - they have a tradition of skewering their Prime Ministers *mercilessly* over there. Biggest national sport. I mean they flay them - pulling off strips of the hide, on regular occasions. Make our president-spearing look tame.

Really though, I voted for Blair first time around. People (incl. me) were actually quite optimistic. Compare to Obama effect etc. We needed a Labour govt. Instead we got the Iraq war, PPP etc etc. What kind of internationalist socialists would invade Iraq?!?!

Bloody lying idiots.

[*T*]

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The same as every socialist government that faces no opposition. Authoritarianism, social decay, favours for the rich (as long as they are not bourgeois), favours for the ruling political elite, handouts and high taxes for everyone else, deep anti-religious sentiment (which was why Blair was hated by the old Left of the Labour party), etc.

The form may be different but the roots are the same.

Our whole political class is morally bankrupt

[Shakespear]

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It's the same here in Poland :-) Corruption, corruption and MORE corruption :confused:

[a warren]

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And the same here in New Zealand, if you tulipers can take your rose tinted spectacles off long enough. The two political parties have an incestuous relationship with business. Retired politicians become public company directors. I wonder why the companies want them?

[GRG55]

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And the same here in New Zealand, if you tulipers can take your rose tinted spectacles off long enough. The two political parties have an incestuous relationship with business. Retired politicians become public company directors. I wonder why the companies want them?

Because there is no sector of the economy, anywhere, that is not under the overt influence of politics.

EJ has written about the "political economy" in the USA...and this is in a nation that has just about the least experience with state owned enterprises compared to all its major trade partners including Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Mexico, China, Japan, Korea, the GCC, etc.

And now it's trying to figure out how to avoid getting involved in the running of a number of iconic businesses in which the US Federal Government, or one of its agencies is the major shareholder, or largest creditor. Good luck...