Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

[audrey_girl]

sickening:

[Munger]

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sickening:

Frightening.

I hate to stir the pot, but I would like to point out that it is refreshing to see a commentator hold to principle and critique a politician they pushed for. I have noticed it is not uncommon for other "liberal" commentators do so as well.

I cannot recall many times when Rush, Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Fox News etc held to their principles and critiqued Bush, especially before late in his term when his approval ratings were in the dump.

I must say Obama has been an almost total dissappointment. Should have been expected.

[rabot10]

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sickening:

OMG things are even worse than i thought, I may start watching Alax Jones (for real)

This is starting to be like a freaken B movie

[rabot10]

Re: Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

Frightening.

I hate to stir the pot, but I would like to point out that it is refreshing to see a commentator hold to principle and critique a politician they pushed for. I have noticed it is not uncommon for other "liberal" commentators do so as well.

I cannot recall many times when Rush, Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Fox News etc held to their principles and critiqued Bush, especially before late in his term when his approval ratings were in the dump.

I must say Obama has been an almost total dissappointment. Should have been expected.

What he said!!

[Andreuccio]

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sickening:

Okay, but, they're terrorists, right? I mean, as long as they're just coming for the terrorists, communists, Jews, trade unionists, and Catholics, what's the big deal. It's not like they're coming for me.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

[jiimbergin]

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Frightening.

I cannot recall many times when Rush, Hannity, Savage, Coulter, Fox News etc held to their principles and critiqued Bush, especially before late in his term when his approval ratings were in the dump.

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Then you missed all the criticism about illegal immigration, excessive spending, medicare part D, and many others.

jim

[jiimbergin]

Re: Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

Then you missed all the criticism about illegal immigration, excessive spending, medicare part D, and many others.

jim

forgot Harriet Myers!!

[metalman]

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OMG things are even worse than i thought, I may start watching Alax Jones (for real)

This is starting to be like a freaken B movie

anyone know a free country that i can move to?

[Mega]

Re: Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

An example of British using anti-terror laws, note the "Threat":-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nExMO...eature=related
Mike

[rabot10]

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Okay, but, they're terrorists, right? I mean, as long as they're just coming for the terrorists, communists, Jews, trade unionists, and Catholics, what's the big deal. It's not like they're coming for me.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Trade unionists? Don't you watch the news these are the real people they send lot's of money to the MAN and will be protected at all costs

[Chris Coles]

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First of all we must put up the actual words rather than a link:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Then we should ask; who wrote the speech?

[metalman]

Re: Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

First of all we must put up the actual words rather than a link:

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

Then we should ask; who wrote the speech?

the nadir of freedom... in the year 2000, before 9/11?

it's been downhill ever since.

[doharra]

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Hey guys,

I think Obama's position is far more nuanced and credible than what's being argued here. It appears to me that he's trying to grapple with the issue of how the U.S. government can identify and then deal with committed enemy combatants -- people who will continue to kill Americans and mount attacks if released.

I'm not happy about it, and the idea should be scrutinized in every way. But it's not the cartoon reported on MSNBC....

Read the speech!

Here's the relevant excerpt:

Now, finally, there remains the question of detainees at Guantanamo who cannot be prosecuted yet who pose a clear danger to the American people. And I have to be honest here -- this is the toughest single issue that we will face. We're going to exhaust every avenue that we have to prosecute those at Guantanamo who pose a danger to our country. But even when this process is complete, there may be a number of people who cannot be prosecuted for past crimes, in some cases because evidence may be tainted, but who nonetheless pose a threat to the security of the United States. Examples of that threat include people who've received extensive explosives training at al Qaeda training camps, or commanded Taliban troops in battle, or expressed their allegiance to Osama bin Laden, or otherwise made it clear that they want to kill Americans. These are people who, in effect, remain at war with the United States.

Let me repeat: I am not going to release individuals who endanger the American people. Al Qaeda terrorists and their affiliates are at war with the United States, and those that we capture -- like other prisoners of war -- must be prevented from attacking us again. Having said that, we must recognize that these detention policies cannot be unbounded. They can't be based simply on what I or the executive branch decide alone. That's why my administration has begun to reshape the standards that apply to ensure that they are in line with the rule of law. We must have clear, defensible, and lawful standards for those who fall into this category. We must have fair procedures so that we don't make mistakes. We must have a thorough process of periodic review, so that any prolonged detention is carefully evaluated and justified.

I know that creating such a system poses unique challenges. And other countries have grappled with this question; now, so must we. But I want to be very clear that our goal is to construct a legitimate legal framework for the remaining Guantanamo detainees that cannot be transferred. Our goal is not to avoid a legitimate legal framework. In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight. And so, going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime so that our efforts are consistent with our values and our Constitution.

[Slimprofits]

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the nadir of freedom... in the year 2000, before 9/11?

it's been downhill ever since.

I think you're romanticizing the period.

In the 80s the drug war government power exploded. Asset forfeitures, various efforts to get around the 4th amendment, etc.

In the 90s we watched the compound in Waco burn at the hands of ATF agents.

After the OKC bombing and the first attempt on the World Trade Center in New York, landmark anti-terrorism legislation was passed in 1996.

In the 90s, we found out about Echelon, the global communications spying efforts at NSA.

I do recall after the breakup of the Soviet Union there was talk about a peace dividend or some shit. That apparently never materialized. They were bombing Serbia before you could celebrate the good vibes.

[metalman]

Re: Meet our new American Fuhrer: Barack Obama

I think you're romanticizing the period.

In the 80s the drug war government power exploded. Asset forfeitures, various efforts to get around the 4th amendment, etc.

In the 90s we watched the compound in Waco burn at the hands of ATF agents.

After the OKC bombing and the first attempt on the World Trade Center in New York, landmark anti-terrorism legislation was passed in 1996.

In the 90s, we found out about Echelon, the global communications spying efforts at NSA.

I do recall after the breakup of the Soviet Union there was talk about a peace dividend or some shit. That apparently never materialized. They were bombing Serbia before you could celebrate the good vibes.

you're right. the nadir was probably 1777.