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    Pardon in advance the subjective, non-empirical approach of this post. But I happen to believe the quants are only as good as the milieu that throws them up. Asset value today is about as empirically-rendered as a twirling compass in the Bermuda Triangle. Part of the reason is that the Masters fear price discovery. So they are waving their magic wands frantically. However the more you push on a string, the more balled-up the string gets.


    So let's get physical. We inhabit this realm of imaginariness. The term itself, stress test, makes it sound like they're testing the girders on a bridge. Once again they're stealing from the Real to bolster the Imaginary.

    The fact they're tossing around a lot of manly euphemisms suggests to me they're scared ****less. Mark-to-market, Level 2, Fed 'facilities', troubled asset relief, the derivative 'complex', 'structured' finance. Favorable stress tests make troubled assets disappear. Pure magic. But what then happens to the PPIP program? I thought that was a stress-relief program? Doesn't the imaginary realm require even some rudimentary consistency within itself?

    They're bulldozing houses in California. That's a step in the Real direction.

    For now, it's Wizard of Oz in the booth with the curtain half-pulled. Look up at the cloud in the sky. I see an anvil. You see an angel. One of us will be crushed. One of us might fly away. If you reflect too much on the sheer arbitrariness of it all, the whole world becomes positively frightening.

    My alternative to madness is an reinvestment in the intrinsic. For this, I prefer silver over gold. I prefer oil over gold. An investment theme? Hold onto your personal sanity without which a comfortable retirement is impossible. I want things I can understand, things that do something. Sorry, but gold is half-smoke. Spare me the gold-buggery. You can't eat gold. But you can sort-of eat silver and oil.

    At some point we have to start addressing the psychological health of market participants. Can a true narcissist part with magical money, the power to make it? Or will the end have to arrive with a bang? Or if the madness succeeds in ensnaring greater fools can it run on for another round? How many fools does it take to screw themselves? Globalism gave birth to the Fewer Fool Theory. I don't thik they can spin it for another round. But I reserve the right to be surprised.

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    Re: Imaginariness

    Originally posted by due_indigence View Post
    Pardon in advance the subjective, non-empirical approach of this post. But I happen to believe the quants are only as good as the milieu that throws them up. Asset value today is about as empirically-rendered as a twirling compass in the Bermuda Triangle. Part of the reason is that the Masters fear price discovery. So they are waving their magic wands frantically. However the more you push on a string, the more balled-up the string gets.


    So let's get physical. We inhabit this realm of imaginariness. The term itself, stress test, makes it sound like they're testing the girders on a bridge. Once again they're stealing from the Real to bolster the Imaginary.

    The fact they're tossing around a lot of manly euphemisms suggests to me they're scared ****less. Mark-to-market, Level 2, Fed 'facilities', troubled asset relief, the derivative 'complex', 'structured' finance. Favorable stress tests make troubled assets disappear. Pure magic. But what then happens to the PPIP program? I thought that was a stress-relief program? Doesn't the imaginary realm require even some rudimentary consistency within itself?

    They're bulldozing houses in California. That's a step in the Real direction.

    For now, it's Wizard of Oz in the booth with the curtain half-pulled. Look up at the cloud in the sky. I see an anvil. You see an angel. One of us will be crushed. One of us might fly away. If you reflect too much on the sheer arbitrariness of it all, the whole world becomes positively frightening.

    My alternative to madness is an reinvestment in the intrinsic. For this, I prefer silver over gold. I prefer oil over gold. An investment theme? Hold onto your personal sanity without which a comfortable retirement is impossible. I want things I can understand, things that do something. Sorry, but gold is half-smoke. Spare me the gold-buggery. You can't eat gold. But you can sort-of eat silver and oil.

    At some point we have to start addressing the psychological health of market participants. Can a true narcissist part with magical money, the power to make it? Or will the end have to arrive with a bang? Or if the madness succeeds in ensnaring greater fools can it run on for another round? How many fools does it take to screw themselves? Globalism gave birth to the Fewer Fool Theory. I don't thik they can spin it for another round. But I reserve the right to be surprised.
    Funny, I didn't know that the chief advantage of Silver over Gold was EDIBILITY, just goes to show you learn something new everyday.:p

    BTW, yes this is a farce. But this farce is more effective at capping the gold price than the silver price IMHO. (to me that makes a failure in manipulation more a gold positive than silver positive, although both are likely to benefit)

    I think you'll have much better luck with a 50/50% PM allocation (by dollar amount, not ounces amount). I do this and recommend it to all who will listen.

    (Gold is much smaller for a similar dollar amount and is much easier to flee the country with);)

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    • #3
      Re: Imaginariness

      They're bulldozing houses in Southern California. That's a step in the Reel direction.

      "Imagination is crazy, your whole perspective gets hazy
      Starts you asking a daisy "What to do, what to do?"

      :cool:

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      • #4
        Re: Imaginariness

        Kevin Depew has written several columns on what he calls "The crisis of the real". That explore this idea:
        http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index.php?a=15724

        I instantly had a spark of recognition when i read that. You know of course that gold is not money. You cannot pay taxes with it or buy medicine or food. Even food is not usable if you buy too much of it. A ten year supply of vegetables will go bad on the shelf in weeks. Real stores of value are murky and specific to particular individuals.

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        • #5
          Re: Imaginariness

          I will read that Global. Thanks for the link. This all falls within the purview of Baudrillardian hyperreality. When Baudrillard posited that the Iraq War wasn't real, it offered a wonderful soundbite to the meat-and-potato Anglo-Saxons and a whole new round of French jokes commenced.

          I am a chastened Anglo-Saxon who is struggling with such things as the reality of money. Like many, if you had told me five years ago that I would be questioning the rudiments of our economy like a first-grader, I'd have laughed. Not now.

          Maybe we have a crisis in utilitarian understanding. Maybe we're doomed to repeat a Dark Age so that we can re-acquaint with labor, firewood, livestock, etc. Re-learn again from the bottom-up. We are profoundly lost at the moment in a blizzard of CDS', SIV's, et al.

          I've been saying for months that this is first-order VALUE CRISIS. What is a lump of gold really WORTH? What is a bond really WORTH? And don't tell me to look in the WSJ either. The markets are flashing profound confusion more than they are flashing bid/ask's.

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          • #6
            Re: Imaginariness

            Originally posted by globaleconomicollaps View Post
            Kevin Depew has written several columns on what he calls "The crisis of the real". That explore this idea:
            http://www.minyanville.com/articles/index.php?a=15724

            I instantly had a spark of recognition when i read that. You know of course that gold is not money. You cannot pay taxes with it or buy medicine or food. Even food is not usable if you buy too much of it. A ten year supply of vegetables will go bad on the shelf in weeks. Real stores of value are murky and specific to particular individuals.
            Well, yes, if James Howard Kunstler is right then gold won't be worth much - except to a Warlord.
            And while Bonds will be nominally worthless even to a Warlord I suppose they will be useful for starting a fire (so we can cook roadkill).
            But realistically, apart from a complete collapse of civilization, the following comments will almost certainly hold true.


            "Gold still represents the ultimate form of payment in the world."
            Alan Greenspan

            "The desire for gold is one of the most universal and deeply rooted commercial instincts of the human race."
            Gerald M. Loeb

            "No other commodity enjoys as much universal acceptability and marketability as gold."
            Hans Sennholz

            "Although gold and silver are not by nature money, money is by nature gold and silver."
            Karl Marx

            "There can be no other criterion, no other standard than gold. Yes, gold which never changes, which can be shaped into ingots, bars, coins, which has no nationality and which is eternally and universally accepted as the unalterable fiduciary value par excellence."
            Charles De Gaulle

            "Gold is money."
            J. P. Morgan
            Last edited by Raz; May 07, 2009, 04:40 PM.

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            • #7
              Re: Imaginariness

              My alternative to madness is an reinvestment in the intrinsic. For this, I prefer silver over gold. I prefer oil over gold. An investment theme? Hold onto your personal sanity without which a comfortable retirement is impossible. I want things I can understand, things that do something. Sorry, but gold is half-smoke. Spare me the gold-buggery. You can't eat gold. But you can sort-of eat silver and oil.
              You can actually eat gold.

              Auranofin - Systematic (IUPAC) name gold(+1) cation; 3,4,5-triacetyloxy-6- (acetyloxymethyl) oxane-2-thiolate; triethylphosphanium. Used to treat arthritis. :-)

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              • #8
                Re: Imaginariness

                Originally posted by don View Post
                They're bulldozing houses in Southern California. That's a step in the Reel direction.

                "Imagination is crazy, your whole perspective gets hazy
                Starts you asking a daisy "What to do, what to do?"

                :cool:
                I see you finally got that prescription for medical marijuana filled Don. Gotta love California.

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                • #9
                  Re: Imaginariness

                  "Citigroup's capital shortfall was reduced to $5.5 billion from about $35 billion after bank executives persuaded the Fed to include future capital-boosting impacts of pending transactions, the story said."

                  A meeting ensues and $30 billion disappears. This is indeed the realm of Baudrillard's hyperreal. The greatest exertion involves trying to maintain a facade of groundedness. But it's pure magic and caprice. There's nothing there. It's an abyss.

                  How can you make empirically-derived investment decisions against a backdrop of pure subjectivity? We have entered the realm of numerology or tea-leave reading. Pick a card, any card.

                  http://www.reuters.com/article/busin...rpc=23&sp=true

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                  • #10
                    Re: Imaginariness

                    Originally posted by SuitablyIronic View Post
                    You can actually eat gold.

                    Auranofin - Systematic (IUPAC) name gold(+1) cation; 3,4,5-triacetyloxy-6- (acetyloxymethyl) oxane-2-thiolate; triethylphosphanium. Used to treat arthritis. :-)
                    I would like to refine my .99999 gold maples into orderly arranged monatomic gold to experience whether the taste would be pleasing. The esoteric side effects would be an added bonus.

                    I may never need to eat again. :eek:


                    due_indigence, I share your opinion that the buttressing of fictions atop one another in the pursuit of creating general sustenance is unsustainable.

                    In regards to your mentioning oil when investing in the intrinsic which one can eat- certain vegetable oils may be stored in large quantities, ie drums, and can be converted rather easily into biodiesel. However, rancidity may be of issue.
                    Last edited by tojaktoty; May 13, 2009, 12:12 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Imaginariness

                      Originally posted by due_indigence View Post
                      ...the quants are only as good as the milieu that throws them up.
                      Nice. Barfaquant.com. I'm sure that one is available. Maybe Imafailedphysicist.com. How about Nobetterthanaspreadsheet.com. I've better ideas but I'm giving these away tonight. The ones with a clever Einstein or Feynman references are going for large dollars. Quants...those that knew, never cared.

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