Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

[cjppjc]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

And we need to run the potheads and the eco-frauds, the Hell's Angels and the drug dealers, the "buy American" and the anti-NAFTA nationalists, the Iran-apologists and the Hamas-lovers OUT of the progressive movement for good.....

Who does that leave?:p

[Starving Steve]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Once-upon-a-time, running the potheads out of the Progressive Movement would have left Hubert Humphrey and Adlai Stevenson in the Democratic Party. And it would have left Prime Minister Lester Pearson in Ottawa and Premier Ed Shreyer in Manitoba, Premier Alan Blakeney in Saskatchewan. In California, it would have left Governor Pat Brown in Sacramento. If the Democratic Party needed ideas, it would have had Eleanor Roosevelt to consult with and Dr. Martin Luther King, as well. Even Winston Chruchill would have managed in Britain, and Charles de Gaule would have managed in France. ( No wonder France is now 80% nuclear power to-day; that was because Charles de Gaule, and people like him, were running France in the past and planning for a bright future for the people there. )

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Once-upon-a-time, running the potheads out of the Progressive Movement would have left Hubert Humphrey and Adlai Stevenson in the Democratic Party. And it would have left Prime Minister Lester Pearson in Ottawa and Premier Ed Shreyer in Manitoba, Premier Alan Blakeney in Saskatchewan. In California, it would have left Governor Pat Brown in Sacramento. If the Democratic Party needed ideas, it would have had Eleanor Roosevelt to consult with and Dr. Martin Luther King, as well. Even Winston Chruchill would have managed in Britain, and Charles de Gaule would have managed in France. ( No wonder France is now 80% nuclear power to-day; that was because Charles de Gaule, and people like him, were running France in the past and planning for a bright future for the people there. )

Seen "Milk?"
Just curious.
being in berkley in the late 60's,
you are probably somewhat of a rare bird on itulip.

[Starving Steve]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Seen "Milk?"
Just curious.
being in berkley in the late 60's,
you are probably somewhat of a rare bird on itulip.

I haven't seen Milk .

As far as my classmates at UC Berkeley, I had no idea whatsoever that they would turn-out to be the Islamo-fascists running Iran now in Tehran or the Hell's Angels shooting 26 people per month in Vancouver.... That's what the total was in March in Vancouver before the RCMP moved-in to put an end to these gang members on motorcycles delivering pot from Vancouver Island grow-operations to the streets of Vancouver.

[kingcopper]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Two, a policy of fiscal spending to halt a "balance sheet recession" (debt deflation) without economic restructuring is a road to ruin. The economy will recover briefly then fall back, either when the money is spent or the politics of spending change. After a number of rise and fall cycles, we will run out of credit. That may happen sooner than we think. My past record of over-optimism on this score leads me to elicit the opinions of others. I'm sure there are those who look at capital inflows and the 10 year bond and believe we're already there. I've learned to not under-estimate central banks, but then it's now just as possible to over-estimate them, too.

I believe that any prudent saver or bankster would lend on energy efficiency; at the expense of the energy producer.

I've got plenty of contractor friends who would love to install energy efficient roofs, windows, and doors as well as geothermal hvac, photovoltaics or god forbid; insulation. All they need right now is work!

If congress is truly committed to cutting down on carbon emissions, they will have the foresight to create serious tax rebates for these particular home improvements. If congress is serious, they'll lean on their bankster friends to finance these particular home improvements.

Here's a scenario: a 30k geothermal system is quite steep right now. If congress however mandates a 50% tax rebate on this puppy, many would find the money via: credit. As long as the consumer can realize some REAL future gains, salesmen can pitch it.

The tax rebate is important because it creates present capital for the consumer. The customer will be making payments to a finance company for the foreseeable future but they were already paying the utility company for the foreseeable future anyway. If someone gets new windows and a large tax rebate nine months later; ;)

The beauty of this scheme is that some regular joe makes a couple hundred to sell a job. Installers and laborers get their wages. The co. owner certainly would profit. Less fossil is forever used by this home. Manufacturers certainly profit. Banksters unfortunately profit. For a while, there may very well be enough work for everyone and we could have a real green energy bubble!

[flintlock]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Who does that leave?:p

Short people and the ugly.

[cjppjc]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Short people and the ugly.

Throw in the overweight, and you've got a voting block that can't lose. How's this, a platform of tax reform revolving around taxing athletes, and entertainers.

[santafe2]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

The tax rebate is important because it creates present capital for the consumer. The customer will be making payments to a finance company for the foreseeable future but they were already paying the utility company for the foreseeable future anyway. If someone gets new windows and a large tax rebate nine months later; ;)

The beauty of this scheme is that some regular joe makes a couple hundred to sell a job. Installers and laborers get their wages. The co. owner certainly would profit. Less fossil is forever used by this home. Manufacturers certainly profit. Banksters unfortunately profit. For a while, there may very well be enough work for everyone and we could have a real green energy bubble!

We have new legislation, (as do many other locations in the US), that allow a home owner to buy a renewable energy system or an energy saving system and add the cost to their property tax. This is paid off over 20 years. Often through a low interest municipal loan.

Our local solar program is a 40% total tax rebate plus about 21 cents for each kWh produced. Very little money goes outside our community, even the investors are mostly local. The insulation programs are not well understood but, as you mentioned, they are the most important. I'm not sure this has the capacity to create a bubble, it makes economic sense.

[flintlock]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Throw in the overweight, and you've got a voting block that can't lose. How's this, a platform of tax reform revolving around taxing athletes, and entertainers.

Short, fat, and ugly. Hey, that's me!

[flintlock]

Re: Janszen Interview on NPR on 05/01/2009 - Power Hungry...Energy Green Bubble?

Copper and oil are ultimate inflation hedges.

Why copper? I know its used in construction but won't high inflation limit growth in that sector?