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    article here

    • A clear majority of hedge funds can be thought of as leveraged sellers of deep-out-of-the-money put options. They employ long-short strategies - removing market risk with what are essentially spread or arbitrage bets with a relatively low return. To boost returns they employ extensive leverage. These spread positions do produce what look like low-risk returns most of the time — but, once in a blue moon, what are effectively options written by the hedge funds will get called. Think LTCM.
    • While hedge fund strategies across the industry may look diversified, there is actually a high degree of correlation, since many funds are effectively running leveraged bets on stable or tightening risk premia. Any widening of risk premia will force large-scale liquidations of positions, with margin calls by the banks and redemptions by investors reinforcing the process.
    Staimann and Knips declare: “We believe that the great unwind is inevitable, but impossible to time. It looks like the process of building up leveraged spread bets has already run quite far. Risk premia in many markets are very low, making it increasingly difficult to find spread bets for new money. Market volatility has been driven to record lows (remember: selling a put is like shorting volatility). The process may not have much more room to run and may start to be more sensitive to factors that could threaten its delicate balance (such as a deterioration of corporate credit risk).”

    “The virtuous cycle on the slow way up (the supply and demand from building spread bets
    leads to tightening spreads, which in turn raises confidence to build new positions) turns
    into a vicious cycle on the fast way down.”
    My takeaway is that hedgies are running highly correlated strategies that make a little money most of the time (vacuuming nickels as the LTCM folks put it) but that if risk premiums expand suddenly, they'll all be heading for the exits at the same time...all suddenly correlated in the wrong direction to exit an event that all their models equally deemed unlikely.
    Last edited by grapejelly; February 09, 2007, 02:42 PM.

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    Re: hedge funds: the Great Unwind is coming

    I see the sign of FIG's IPO as a bellweather for the end of the road. Up 60% in one day? Eek. Why is a hedge fund offering an IPO to begin with? I heard on the business news in LA today that there is talk in the hedge fund industry about there being a stock "boom" like the tech boom, there is a lot of hype for them.

    I wouldn't buy a share of a hedge fund with YOUR money.

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    • #3
      Re: hedge funds: the Great Unwind is coming

      Wonder if hedge funds' models incorporate scenarios where other hedge funds fail. Either other funds have different secret strategies that can only be guessed at, or they have similar strategies that increase the risk of funds with similar methods. Does the knowledge that "the Fed stands ready to provide all necessary liquidity" mean they don't think they need to?

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        Re: hedge funds: the Great Unwind is coming

        Originally posted by renewable
        Wonder if hedge funds' models incorporate scenarios where other hedge funds fail. Either other funds have different secret strategies that can only be guessed at, or they have similar strategies that increase the risk of funds with similar methods. Does the knowledge that "the Fed stands ready to provide all necessary liquidity" mean they don't think they need to?
        they're interested in taking advantage of other fund failures. when amaranth went down, many others knew their positions and knew those positions would be liquidated, so they could front-run those trades. same thing happened with ltcm.

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          Re: hedge funds: the Great Unwind is coming

          Originally posted by jk
          they're interested in taking advantage of other fund failures. when amaranth went down, many others knew their positions and knew those positions would be liquidated, so they could front-run those trades. same thing happened with ltcm.
          This could be described as profiting from picking up the pieces afterwards. Was more trying to understand if it is possible for hedge funds to forsee other funds blowing up and whether they can protect themselves by further hedging - just how much of a house of cards it it?

          As Fortress IPO'd, this means the founders thought they could make more money from selling the business than continuing to own it. This isn't a good sign. When more hedge funds IPO and the founders no longer own them, this must affect the investment decisions the funds make - perhaps increasing bonuses vs. fund profits. Would this lead to riskier investment decisions?

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          • #6
            Re: hedge funds: the Great Unwind is coming

            in the venture capital runup 1996-2000, Tim Draper and other came out with MeVC, a publicly traded venture capital fund...

            it did indeed signal a market top in venture capital.

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