Bernie Sanders

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

...Of course, the very fact that he is running as a Democrat as an obvious sheepdog -- to herd the left into voting for Hillary, whom he said at the very outset that he would endorse if he loses -- puts the lie to that perception.

Chomsky, that's precisely the point Don was making in his post, only about Trump:

Donald Trump is a false-flag candidate. It’s all an act, one that benefits his good friend Hillary Clinton and the Democratic party that, until recently, counted the reality show star among its adherents. Indeed, Trump’s pronouncements – the open racism, the demagogic appeals, the faux-populist rhetoric – sound like something out of a Democratic political consultant’s imagination, a caricature of conservatism as performed by a master actor.

Trump draws the lumpen elements of the right from the GOP and sends the rest to Hillary. And you agree with Hedges that Sanders herds the left for Hillary.

We seem to have a growing consensus that this election is one big kayfabe. But if this one's a fake, then was the last one? And how far back do we go before everyone agrees they were real?

So who is running this con? Because the fundamental assertion is that both parties and the media are being manipulated/deployed for the benefit of HRC. Is she really that powerful, a virtual American Putin? Or are there other actors (banks, Wall Street, the trusts) calling the shots?

You see what a strange place this is to be for iTulip?

Me, I'm still trying to figure out how one becomes the Independent (Socialist) Senator from Vermont in the land of the permanent Red Scare and COINTELPRO, but I'm old and slow to catch on to the big ideas.

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary losing?

So much for the narrative of inevitability. You should have seen the shock in the faces of the talking heads. They really did not want to report this.

"Bernie Sanders pulled off his biggest win of the Democratic presidential race on Tuesday, defeating Hillary Clinton in the Michigan primary on a night which also confirmed strong anti-establishment support for Donald Trump in the battle for the Republican nomination...The shock victory – by a margin of around 3 percentage points when his win was first projected by Associated Press – comes despite Sanders trailing the former secretary of state by an average of 21 points in recent opinion polling...With 130 delegates, Michigan was the second-largest prize of the election so far..."

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2...illary-clinton

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

The best Democrat ticket for the country would be:

Mark Warner - President

Jim Webb- Vice President

The nation doesn't need a left wing or right wing wingnut. We need to be the United States of America again. That can only come from the center.

Kasich in the only GOP that comes close. But Warner - Webb is the perfect combo.

Centrist Jim Webb leans to Trump.

"Jim Webb: I won't vote for Clinton, but I may for Trump

Former Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb won’t be voting for Hillary Clinton, but he hasn’t ruled out casting his ballot for Donald Trump.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/jim-webb-no-hillary-clinton-220255"

[Polish_Silver]

Re: Why is Hillary losing?

So much for the narrative of inevitability. You should have seen the shock in the faces of the talking heads. They really did not want to report this.

I think it says a lot for Michigan. Is Clinton popular with African Americans? If so, Why ?

Hedges was also concerned about Sanders agreement to endorse "the winner". Perhaps he said it without thinking, or there was pressure on him to say it.

If he is dishonest, he makes a very good show of being honest.

[shiny!]

Re: Why is Hillary losing?

so much for the narrative of inevitability. You should have seen the shock in the faces of the talking heads. They really did not want to report this.

awesome!

[vt]

Re: Why is Hillary losing?

U.S. President David Rice Atchison

http://einsteinsrefrigerator.com/atchison/

[vt]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Vandalism; the only thing left for the GOP.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/03/0...me-going-viral

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywo...-meme-go-viral

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016...alf-your-sign/

http://www.westernjournalism.com/loo...ism-perfectly/

You're only confusing yourself more, vt, and by consuming so many wingnut sources of information you will only end up isolating yourself further.

Don't take it personally. You are not your politics. Politics is not identity; it's just politics. You can change towards a politics of reality and truth without destroying the image of self you've worked hard to cultivate all these years. But you'll never be free of the crazy if you don't get out of the right wing Fox News, Brietbart, Glen Beck orbit. They're playing you for your worst self.

Save yourself, man. I'm rooting for you.

[vt]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Thank you Woody! I do agree that this was clearly vandalism by those evil right wingers. I don't like them either. But the intention was the humor of the message:-)

As you may know from other posts from me, I don't like either party. In fact I was sincere that a ticket made up of two moderate Democrats would be the best for the country. (Warmer-Webb) How very unGOP of me!

But what I will disagree with is any attempt to shut down free speech and assembly:

http://www.infowars.com/soros-funded-moveon-org-takes-credit-for-violence-in-chicago

The link above is clearly from a right wing source, but unfortunately the liberal main stream media is not reporting it at all, or very rarely. Much of what is posted in any media is sometimes not true, lacking full facts, or twisted in some way.

We no longer have journalists. Instead we have propagandists that pick a side and only report items favorable to them or those which attack the other political side.

I read the Washington Post and New York Times. I rarely look at right wing publications. But when they are the only one reporting a fact, then I do pay a bit of attention.

I have ardent liberal and conservative long time friends. I listen but take their views with the bias in the subject.

You seem to support Sanders, and I understand why you find value in his platform. I don't like any that are running.

By the way Woody, while I do not agree with some of what you say, I see you are an excellent writer and appreciate the tone of your posts.

[shiny!]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

But what I will disagree with is any attempt to shut down free speech and assembly:

http://www.infowars.com/soros-funded...ce-in-chicago/

Hey guys, this has nothing to do with the conversation, but can any of you follow the link vt gave and give me some enlightenment?

Just below the photo on that page is a caption, and just below the caption is a sanskrit-like symbol. I'm seeing sanskrit-y symbols everywhere lately on the web. What are they? What do they symbolize? They show up a lot on popups. I never know if clicking on them will make the popup go away or instead take me to a page where I don't want to go. I need a translation guide but don't even know what they're called to do a search.

Sorry for the interruption, but thanks.

[vt]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?t...on=ES&link=yes

https://www.google.com/search?q=mean...w=1366&bih=643

[shiny!]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?t...on=ES&link=yes

https://www.google.com/search?q=mean...w=1366&bih=643

Thanks for those, vt, but what I'm needing is a dictionary or legend to understand these sanskrit or hindu-like characters that are popping up all over in webpages everywhere. Where there used to be an X or an arrow there are now these weird characters. I don't know what they mean. Maybe something to do with social media or mobil computing?

EDIT: Finally figured it out! If I set Firefox to use my choice of fonts instead of what the website wants, I get weird sanskrit-like icons. When I allow websites to choose their own fonts, the "sanskrit" turns into quotation marks.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program...

[vt]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

You got it!

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1035523

[bpr]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Interesting that there's not more about Sanders here. I voted yesterday out of self-interest, not ideology, and not for Sanders.

He's made an amazing run from a left-of-liberal stance and, yeah, it's eye-opening how progressive the voting public is.

Dennis Kucinich couldn't pull 5% anywhere, but that was a more diverse field, and the full ramifications of the bailout were pending.

Sanders has already won, simply by empowering the left with his turnouts and vote totals, only superceded by Clinton and Trump, both of whom had enormous name recognition before the race started.

Sanders is going to lose, but the elites are going to know just how many progressives are out here.

Why Did I Vote Hillary?
1. Full disclosure: I've met her. And when the second-most powerful woman (arguably, next to Angela Merkel, IMO) in the world smiles at you, says, "You must be ____. I love your father," my knees get weak and I forget how angry I am that Eric Holder just got his job back at the lobbying firm where he can represent the banks he didn't prosecute. It happened. And I spent nearly an hour with her, talking about our economy, the rust belt, and football (yes, football). I just couldn't go there.
2. Despite her early years, since the nineties she really has been progressive in her policies. I have reconciled the bankster donations with the fact that they really were her constituency: she was a senator from New York; of course her biggest donors are going to be from New York's biggest industry. Criticizing her for getting money from banks is as ludicrous as criticizing Grassley for getting money from Agribusiness.
3. I am far to the left of "center," and I recognize my position there. Sanders has not endured nearly the amount of criticism that Clinton has. If he were to win the nomination, then the vast amount of money spent (over 25 years) discrediting Hillary could all go toward him, and we'd be looking at a Republican president, and none of their options are even viable, AFAIC.

The Right isn't even being discreet about their support of Sanders:
https://www.americarisingpac.org/

No mention of Sanders at all.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/17/us...nton.html?_r=0

Regardless of what the polls say right now, if Sanders got the nomination there would be a Red Scare throughout the summer that would result in a landslide for Trump/Cruz/Whoever.

No thank you.

#ImWithHer

EDIT: I will say this was the hardest primary decision I ever had to make, and the only time I've ever gone for a centrist candidate, but I am certain that she's the right candidate for the left. After 25 years of sexist bullshit being thrown at her the fact that she's still standing tells me she's practically bulletproof.

If she loses, it won't be because of Trump, Sanders, or any of the current crop, but rather it will be a victory of the likes of Gingrich, Buchanon, and Falwell, who started the vast right-wing conspiracy that everyone laughed at then, but generally accepts now.

[Woodsman]

Re: Why is Hillary winning?

Sounds to these old ears that you voted for her because of her star power. Because the king smiled upon you, you became the king's man; ready to do his business. Did you pull at your waistcoat and nervously sweep back your forelock in the presence of Majesty? I hear royals love it when their subjects do that.

Now that's just as good a reason as any other to vote, really. But be clear with yourself, you voted for a corrupt right wing politician who will in all likelihood pull us into the next world war so as to secure her place in history. You have cast a ballot that aligns yourself with the worst elements this country has produced in decades. You stand side by side with neocons like the Kagans and fascist plutocrats like Charles Koch.

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/2...llary-clinton/
http://www.alternet.org/election-201...ary-presidency

Oh well, it won't be you who gets to go to the sandbox. And you can feel all righteous and intelligent for deploying your vote with such strategery. But please, the self-deception is nearly as embarrassing to read as the pleas for understanding.

Sanders seems willing to be shot in an open limo to serve his country and his people. But you can't even bring yourself to vote for the first viable left candidate this nation has produced in 30 years.

The only red scared is you, son.