While Clinton Offers a Resume, Warren Offers a Plan

[jk]

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JK

Of course it didn't have legs. The mostly liberal press buried it!

Both sides lie and cover up. I've lived in the D.C. all my life. I understand how all this operate.

the press is mostly in the entertainment business. "the mostly liberal press" didn't bury bill clinton's sexual escapades, for example, because sex sells. if nobody cares about an issue, you won't read much about it after the initial splash. just about everyone has an agenda, but some are more willing than others to distort their reporting, and of course there's an audience for THAT. i respected you enough to click through to your link, but was disappointed that it was old news, and distorted news, microwaved to smell fresh by the national review for heaven's sake. i forget what the other post was that you put up- the first time i called bs on a post of yours. you were kind of sheepish in your reply iirc, and i still credited you enough to see what you'd put up here,, on this thread. i would just ask that you vet your sources better if you want your posts taken seriously.

[Andreuccio]

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btw, vt- this is at least the 2nd time i've called you out for doing this. the last time you kind of apologized and acknowledged you hadn't really checked the info at the link you posted. at least take the time to check the timeliness and accuracy of the info you post, please. and the more political the source, the more checking is warranted before presenting it here as "information" [as opposed to propaganda].

+1

I was going to post a link to the post where I discredited a different link posted by VT, but then realized it was just 3-5 posts upthread.

[vt]

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The first one was on Hillary, which I apologized for. I should have checked it.

Warren however has been caught before by the press in Massachusetts.

You can't expect a one way street anymore. No one trusts the party line on either side, and they sure don't trust mass media:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/176042/tr...-time-low.aspx

P.S. It seems like some of the posting here has been from left wing sources, but no one brings that up.

[shiny!]

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P.S. It seems like some of the posting here has been from left wing sources, but no one brings that up.

I couldn't care less if a source is leftwing or rightwing, as long as they get the facts straight and don't use loaded propaganda phrases to try to sway me.

[Slimprofits]

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The Boston Herald...not right wing

100% incorrect.

[vt]

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Elizabeth Warren is certainly a distinguished academic, and she has been working for the consumer for 20 years.

I applaud her attack on Wall Street and the banks. I've been fighting them for over 20 years, and I'm not a politician. (Actually 43 years if you go back to Vista Volunteer helping a low income credit union)

But I have not seen any information where she denies she flipped foreclosed houses for profit in the early 1990's. As far as bringing up information from over 20 years ago, what about the Washington Post bringing up up Romney misbehaving in prep school 50 years ago! Or Dan Rather and CBS trying to smear George Bush with an old national guard fabrication in 2006.

More baffling is that she did represent corporate clients against consumer interests in the late 90's and after. There is at least some hypocrisy in her record as a champion of the downtrodden. The wiki article I posted cites the record, and during her Senate campaign she refused to provide a list. ("Note Wiki is a good starting point but not completely reliable for an academic source" Harvard) However, in the Wiki article there are a number of sources cited including the Boston Globe.

What led me to post in the first place was her idiotic "you didn't build that" There are hundred of thousands of honest small business owners who DID build it. They put their life savings in and worked incredible hours. They created millions of jobs from which workers and the owners paid taxes on that ultimately built the roads and schools she speak of. For this stupid statement Obama and her show they know nothing about how the economy works.

[vt]

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Both Boston papers seem to be neither liberal or conservative, but seem to be more even handed:

http://www.journalism.org/2010/04/20/herald-vs-globe/

[lektrode]

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Both Boston papers seem to be neither liberal or conservative, but seem to be more even handed:

http://www.journalism.org/2010/04/20/herald-vs-globe/

while eye havent read this yet - you'dve had to been there and read em both to understand that 'even handed' wasnt EVEN a question - at least back in the daze when my ole man read em both every day (but in 'even handed fairness' would say that the globe had more stuff to read, while the herald was mostly for sports, horse/dog racing results....)

I couldn't care less if a source is leftwing or rightwing, as long as they get the facts straight and don't use loaded propaganda phrases to try to sway me.

+1
even tho some of the 'loaded propaganda phrases' CAN be quite.... ummmm... entertaining as well as quite informative+insightful (not to mention INCITEFUL)

ie: Another "Giant Sucking Sound" ? - just fer instance...

[vt]

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The Herald/Globe is like the New York Daily News/New York Times. Tabloid vs. Newspaper.

Remember when the National Enquirer broke the John Edwards baby story?

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/

[lektrode]

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I couldn't care less if a source is leftwing or rightwing, as long as they get the facts straight and don't use loaded propaganda phrases to try to sway me.

+1
even tho some of the 'loaded propaganda phrases' CAN be quite.... ummmm... entertaining as well as quite informative+insightful (not to mention INCITEFUL)

ie: Another "Giant Sucking Sound" ? - just fer instance...

[lektrode]

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The Herald/Globe is like the New York Daily News/New York Times. Tabloid vs. Newspaper.
....

would say thats even handed, but the herald was usually quite to the right of the globe...

[jk]

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P.S. It seems like some of the posting here has been from left wing sources, but no one brings that up.

when the information is wrong or distorted, please point it out. and i mean that seriously. i appreciate the mutual respect itulip members give each other [for the most part] and would like to think we are all truth seekers, whatever position we start out with.

also, re the "you didn't build that" meme: my understanding of that phrase is that we all rely on public [AND PRIVATE] infrastructure. the entrepreneur doesn't have to build the roads to ship his goods, or build the internet backbone to sell his downloads, and so on. we depend on both public infrastructure - most roads and bridges, and private infrastructure to allow for and even promote or enhance other private business activity. we are neither individuals who are totally independent of the rest of society to support our efforts, but nor are we mere channels for social expression.

[vt]

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JK

I fully agree that society is a partnership between public infrastructure and private industry and citizens. We need efficient government.

As I stated: to attack business owners as not building anything is mean spirited. Yes, business uses and needs public infrastructure, but what Warren doesn't get is the entrepreneurship of building businesses creates all those millions of jobs. These jobs provide income which governments can then tax to build and maintain the infrastructure. Warren acts like business needs government, but government doesn't need business. Obama and Warren never had to build anything, Warren was sheltered by academia most of her life.

Warren is already acting like she's the President:

"Progressives like Elizabeth Warren are happy to see settlements in which companies bow before Washington and, for their corporate sins, pay shareholder money in tribute to the feds. We prefer trials that allow our judicial system to determine which if any individualsbroke the law and can be held accountable.

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Sen. Warren also criticizes the SEC’s practice of granting waivers to firms admitting guilt from restrictions that would otherwise bar them from enjoying certain privileges in the securities markets. She quotes her pal Ms. Stein, who said recently that granting such waivers to banks “effectively rendered criminal convictions of financial institutions largely symbolic.”Of course they did, which is the point of the political exercise. While Ms. Stein frequently opposes waivers that save banks money, she’s much less inclined to deny a waiver when the viability of the firm would be thrown into question. In other words, she wants kudos from the Warren crowd for bashing a bank, without the accountability that would come from destroying one.Let’s have trials instead, and if a bank really is a criminal enterprise, break it up. And if not, regulators shouldn’t browbeat managers to admit firm-wide guilt for actions they may have known nothing about.And speaking of a return to accountability, if Ms. Warren wants the authority to hire SEC commissioners, she should first have to win a presidential election."

http://www.wsj.com/articles/presiden...16429736837745

[Woodsman]

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But why all the hot air on Clinton and Warren? You're not supporting either, so why bother? I expect most folks here have learned everything they need to know about HillBill since at least 1993, so it's not entirely clear what it is you're trying to accomplish.

God bless you if you're still operating on the belief that your vote "counts." But if that's the case, why not instead share articles and posts on those candidate you do support; those candidate you think should win. It's a tremendous bore, otherwise.

[vt]

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I'll go after the Republican field in due course.

Who do you like Woodsman?