Supreme Court to Conference on Obama's Prez Eligibility

http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

Today, the United States Supreme Court scheduled the case - Leo C. Donofrio v. Nina Mitchell Wells, Secretary of State of the State of New Jersey - US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407 - for a conference of the nine Justices. The conference is a completely private affair and the public may not attend. If four of the nine Justices vote to hear the case in full, oral argument may be scheduled. The conference is scheduled for December 5, 2008, ten days before the meeting of the Electoral College.

The case originally sought, pre-election, to have the names of Barack Obama, John McCain, and Roger Calero removed from New Jersey ballots, and for a stay of the “national election” pending Supreme Court review of whether those candidates were eligible under the Constitution as natural born Citizens, as is required by Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution of the United States.

Leo Donofrio brought his case from a lower New Jersey court to the NJ Supreme Court - was denied - and then he filed an emergency stay application in the United States Supreme Court on Nov. 3, 2008, before the Honorable Associate Justice David Souter. Justice Souter denied the emergency stay application on Nov. 6.

Leo Donofrio renewed the application, as per Supreme Court Rule 22.4, to the Honorable Associate Justice Clarence Thomas by way of Express mail on Nov. 14. The application arrived at the Supreme Court on Nov. 17 and was submitted directly to Justice Thomas.

On Nov. 19, the case was docketed for full conference of all nine Justices and scheduled for December 5, 2008.

[blazespinnaker]

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http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

"Link to a story by a credible source"

[politicalfootballfan]

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"Link to a story by a credible source"

The originally posted link
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

is plaintiff's (a NJ lawyer) website who brought original case to the NJ Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court against NJ Sec of State. All original court documents are posted on that site

Supreme Court docket link (from supremecourt.gov web site) was also provided in original post
US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407


Mainstream media is not yet following this matter, hence, there are no other sources available other than the petitioner and the court.

[blazespinnaker]

Re: Supreme Court to Conference on Obama's Prez Eligibility

The originally posted link
http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

is plaintiff's (a NJ lawyer) website who brought original case to the NJ Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court against NJ Sec of State. All original court documents are posted on that site

Supreme Court docket link (from supremecourt.gov web site) was also provided in original post
US Supreme Court Docket No. 08A407


Mainstream media is not yet following this matter, hence, there are no other sources available other than the petitioner and the court.

Whups! Sorry.

[vinoveri]

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interesting, but inconsequential.

anyone born on sovereign territory of the U.S. (whether it be in a state, possession, U.S. ship, or foreign embassy) is automatically a citizen of the U.S. at least as I understand it.

Obama being born in Hawaii leaves no question as to him being a naturally born citizen.

[hellstan]

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interesting, but inconsequential.

anyone born on sovereign territory of the U.S. (whether it be in a state, possession, U.S. ship, or foreign embassy) is automatically a citizen of the U.S. at least as I understand it.

Obama being born in Hawaii leaves no question as to him being a naturally born citizen.

Yes, but there is one huge caveat, he's Black, and as racism doesn't exist in the US

http://www.sunjournal.com/story/2923...slurs_on_rise/
http://www.960werc.com/cc-common/mai...rticle=4594508
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8046549
http://www.diversityinc.com/public/4795.cfm

etc.

surely no jerk can bother a supreme court with false pretense and petty proceedings.

[politicalfootballfan]

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anyone born on sovereign territory of the U.S. (whether it be in a state, possession, U.S. ship, or foreign embassy) is automatically a citizen of the U.S. at least as I understand it.

Obama being born in Hawaii leaves no question as to him being a naturally born citizen.

You contradicted yourself here, one has to be a Natural Born Citizen to become President of the USA, per the US Constitution. There are many ways to become a citizen of the U.S., but only one way to become a Natural Born Citizen.

The case claims that Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen because his father was a subject of the British Monarchy at the time of Obama's birth, making Obama a British subject. Obama's place of birth is irrelevant in this case, per the petitioner's claims.

Yes, but there is one huge caveat, he's Black, and as racism doesn't exist in the US

The case filed by the petitioner is actually against the NJ Secretary of State for including 3 ineligible candidates on the ballot, including Obama, McCain and a minor 3rd Party candidate. All, per the petitioner claims, are NOT Natural Born Citizens of the USA.

[we_are_toast]

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This story is being reported in left blogs also.

The Court needs to hear the case to laugh it out of court and finally put and end to all this right wing B.S. Clearly, as Bush has shown, the Right Wing simply does not believe in nor understand the principles of Democracy.

But... the speculation of what would happen if the Court did the unthinkable again, can lead to unthinkable consequences.

[politicalfootballfan]

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This story is being reported in left blogs also.

The Court needs to hear the case to laugh it out of court and finally put and end to all this right wing B.S. Clearly, as Bush has shown, the Right Wing simply does not believe in nor understand the principles of Democracy.

But... the speculation of what would happen if the Court did the unthinkable again, can lead to unthinkable consequences.

While I don't want to appear naive here, it may not be a left-right issue, as the Supreme Court's ruling could simultaneously affect the standing of McCain as well as Obama, as the Petitioner claims that neither candidate meets the Constitutional test of Natural Born Citizen.

[hellstan]

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You contradicted yourself here, one has to be a Natural Born Citizen to become President of the USA, per the US Constitution. There are many ways to become a citizen of the U.S., but only one way to become a Natural Born Citizen.

The case claims that Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen because his father was a subject of the British Monarchy at the time of Obama's birth, making Obama a British subject. Obama's place of birth is irrelevant in this case, per the petitioner's claims.



The case filed by the petitioner is actually against the NJ Secretary of State for including 3 ineligible candidates on the ballot, including Obama, McCain and a minor 3rd Party candidate. All, per the petitioner claims, are NOT Natural Born Citizens of the USA.

Window dressing. :mad:
Plain racism masqueraded in a "balanced" claim.
Lucifer is in the details.

[Tulpen]

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http://www.blogtext.org/naturalborncitizen/

A big waste of time and money for this obviously frivolous case.

[WDCRob]

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Over/under on the length of the conference: 15 seconds

[hellstan]

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A big waste of time and money for this obviously frivolous case.

I propose Mr. Donofrio shall be heavily fined for wasting people's and state money in a time when it's much needed elsewhere.
"They're rednecks, rednecks, they don't know their *** from a whole in the ground."
Lovely song… very up to date.

[politicalfootballfan]

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Window dressing. :mad:
Plain racism masqueraded in a "balanced" claim.
Lucifer is in the details.

Fyi...it was SC Justice Thomas (an African American) who chose to Conference the case.

A big waste of time and money for this obviously frivolous case.

The SC Justices could have easily refused to Conference this case if they felt it was frivolous.


Fyi...more from the petitioner's website about the merits of his claim:

Don't be distracted by the birth certificate and Indonesia issues. They are irrelevant to Senator Obama's ineligibility to be President. Since Barack Obama's father was a Citizen of Kenya and therefore subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of Senator Obama's birth, then Senator Obama was a British Citizen "at birth", just like the Framers of the Constitution, and therefore, even if he were to produce an original birth certificate proving he were born on US soil, he still wouldn't be eligible to be President.

The Framers of the Constitution, at the time of their birth, were also British Citizens and that's why the Framers declared that, while they were Citizens of the United States, they themselves were not "natural born Citizens". Hence their inclusion of the grandfather clause in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution shall be eligible to the Office of President;


The Framers wanted to make themselves eligible to be President, but they didn't want future generations to be Governed by a Commander In Chief who had split loyalty to another Country. The Framers were comfortable making an exception for themselves. They did, after all, create the Constitution. But they were not comfortable with the possibility of future generations of Presidents being born under the jurisdiction of Foreign Powers, especially Great Britain and its monarchy, who the Framers and Colonists fought so hard in the American Revolution to be free of.

The Framers declared themselves not eligible to be President as "natural born Citizens", so they wrote the grandfather clause in for the limited exception of allowing themselves to be eligible to the Presidency in the early formative years of our infant nation.

But nobody alive today can claim eligibility to be President under the grandfather clause since nobody alive today was a citizen of the US at the time the Constitution was adopted.

The Framers distinguished between "natural born Citizens" and all other "Citizens". And that's why it's important to note the 14th Amendment only confers the title of "Citizen", not "natural born Citizen". The Framers were Citizens, but they weren't natural born Citizens. They put the stigma of not being natural born Citizens on themselves in the Constitution and they are the ones who wrote the Document.

Since the the Framers didn't consider themselves to have been "natural born Citizens" due to their having been subject to British jurisdiction at their birth, then Senator Obama, having also been subject to British jurisdiction at the time of his birth, also cannot be considered a "natural born Citizen" of the United States.

I find this to be an interesting Constitutional issue that has never been litigated...... Natural Born Citizenship has not been previously challenged at the SC. To simply scoff at the matter is to dismiss the significance of Constitutional interpretation. Perhaps the SCJ's will dismiss the matter at the Conference, but the matter has merit and should be heard and decided appropriately, within the framework of our Constitutional government.

[hellstan]

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Fyi...it was SC Justice Thomas (an African American) who chose to Conference the case.




The SC Justices could have easily refused to Conference this case if they felt it was frivolous.


Fyi...more from the petitioner's website about the merits of his claim:



I find this to be an interesting Constitutional issue that has never been litigated...... Natural Born Citizenship has not been previously challenged at the SC. To simply scoff at the matter is to dismiss the significance of Constitutional interpretation. Perhaps the SCJ's will dismiss the matter at the Conference, but the matter has merit and should be heard and decided appropriately, within the framework of our Constitutional government.

You really think that matter should be urgently decided now by the SC ?
You really think you ought to create a Constitutional brawl just now ?
You really think there is no agenda there ?
Either you're naive or punctilious.
Besides, create now a doubt over the legitimacy of your new president
would really be a mastermind's shot.
You people must have gone mad : the plane has two engines in flames, the pilot is doing bravely, but you discuss over the fine prints on his license. Have a nice crash everybody.