To President Obama : from Europe with Love

[hellstan]

Mister :cool: President,

After this long night, staying up, following this not-so-nerve wrecking run to victory,
we just wished to share this moment with you and the people of America.
Your historical election, and the first speech you gave as new president elect moved us
and the world to the core, deep in what we (still) believe in.
Congratulations to you, and congratulations to the Americans, to this country, which hopefully will revive -
and the world with it.

For the first time since decades, you already inspire millions to work
for getting out of the dire straits the world is entering in.
We couldn't dream a more reasonable and willful guide
in this enterprise.

Hopefully, America will be back.

Long live your presidency,;)
Johan Frederik Hel Guedj (and some others)

[labasta]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

Mister :cool: President,

After this long night, staying up, following this not-so-nerve wrecking run to victory,
we just wished to share this moment with you and the people of America.
Your historical election, and the first speech you gave as new president elect moved us
and the world to the core, deep in what we (still) believe in.
Congratulations to you, and congratulations to the Americans, to this country, which hopefully will revive -
and the world with it.

For the first time since decades, you already inspire millions to work
for getting out of the dire straits the world is entering in.
We couldn't dream a more reasonable and willful guide
in this enterprise.

Hopefully, America will be back.

Long live your presidency,;)
Johan Frederik Hel Guedj (and some others)

actions speak louder than words.

Let's not give him Messiah status just yet.

[hellstan]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

actions speak louder than words.

Let's not give him Messiah status just yet.

Since logos took up this Earth (about 2700 years),
words shape the world.

PS : After 8 years of illiteracy, the "first African-American who is bright and articulate"
sounds like a Messiah, for some. That says a lot about how dumb Double-dWarf made
us all.

[tsetsefly]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

The reaction over obama's election is truly embarrassing to watch.

I want to see after 2 years of recession if he is still God's gift to earth... as for his policies, I still don't know how they are so different than the rest of democrats, what radical change is he going to bring??? :rolleyes:

[hellstan]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

The reaction over obama's election is truly embarrassing to watch.

I want to see after 2 years of recession if he is still God's gift to earth... as for his policies, I still don't know how they are so different than the rest of democrats, what radical change is he going to bring??? :rolleyes:

In democracy, chronic pessimism is even more embarrassing.
In democracy, bitterness leads to rant, and rant leads to populism.
We had 8 years of that. And, what's more, a mediocre flavour of it.
Didn't have nausea ?

[metalman]

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In democracy, pessimism is even more embarrassing.
In democracy, bitterness leads to rant, and rant leads to populism.
We had 8 years of that. And, what's more, a mediocre flavour of it.
Didn't have nausea ?

we're all reeling from the lovely prospect of obama making good on his robin hood promises... steal from the boomers to give to the gen-x & gen-we generation who elected him. looks like we're gonna have to pay our own debts. dern.

well, maybe not...

http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....9065#post59065

[hellstan]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

we're all reeling from the lovely prospect of obama making good on his robin hood promises... steal from the boomers to give to the gen-x & gen-we generation who elected him. looks like we're gonna have to pay our own debts. dern.

well, maybe not...

http://itulip.com/forums/showthread....9065#post59065

Well, after 8 years of a faux Jesse James ("bring'em on")
escorted by a bunch of Philip Francis Queeg and led by B series
Citizen Kanes (without Rosebud), a bit of
Robin Hood (or is it just sound principles of the US
Constitution revived, at last) gives me a bowl of fresh air. :rolleyes:

[metalman]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

Well, after 8 years of a faux Jesse James ("bring'em on")
escorted by a bunch of Philip Francis Queeg and led by B series
Citizen Kanes (without Rosebud), a bit of
Robin Hood (or is it just sound principles of the US
Constitution revived, at last) gives me a bowl of fresh air. :rolleyes:

those of us ron paul suppotrers who voted for obama did so for complicated reasons unlike the gen-x types.

the choices when bush was elected, if you recall, we're great. not even a ron paul for encouragement.

i held my nose to vote for gore. i hate gore nearly as much as i hate kerry, but not as much as i feared bush.

i'm more optimistic about obama because when it comes to campaigns what you see is what you get... a sloppy and stupid campaign = sloppy and stupid administration. that's the #1 reason mcacain lost. if obama had also run a sloppy campaign like hillary's it'd have been a tougher choice. but obama's was a tight campaign... tight as a drum. his administration will be likewise. he'll get things done. some of it will be good and some of it bad. we shall see.

he needs a test of fire right out of the gate... Russia Warns of New Missile Deployment

what will obama do? back down from don putin and his puppet and throw us allies under the bus?

[hellstan]

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Well, last time a rookie got a major test right out of the gate, it was JFK with the Bay of Pigs. But the Bay of Pigs was timed bomb left by Ike under the
chair of his successor - without telling him a word about it.
So the rookie botched the first test.
But he did first class in the second : missiles crisis.

Obama has got something you may feel right on TV - no need to have him in front of you. He exsudes authority. (You may take my word for it - I've met some bosses in my life.)
That might be useful, for a US president.

[bart]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

Food for thought - the fireside chat tradition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fireside_chat

[tsetsefly]

Re: To President Obama : from Europe with Love

In democracy, chronic pessimism is even more embarrassing.
In democracy, bitterness leads to rant, and rant leads to populism.
We had 8 years of that. And, what's more, a mediocre flavour of it.
Didn't have nausea ?

Well the US is suppose to be a republic not a rule of the majority (democracy).
IT hasnt been a republic for some time but just pointing it out...

I did not vote for Obama but preferred him over Mccain. I was tired of the republicans representing capitalism and free-markets in the eye's of everyone. When we know their not even close to that.

At least when Obama screws up they cant blame capitalism.

Obama has good leadership qualities no doubt about that. I also think he is a Clinton like politician, meaning he will not want to go to extreme to appease everyone. Might be wrong on that call though.

I actually fear polosi more, who knows what she and her senate will try to pass....

[hellstan]

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tsetsefly
Junior iTuliper wrote :

Well the US is suppose to be a republic not a rule of the majority (democracy).
IT hasnt been a republic for some time but just pointing it out...

Right. But if all republic are not necessarily democracies, all democracies are republic.;)

At least when Obama screws up they cant blame capitalism.

Never heard him depart from capitalism, if words retain their meaning.
Besides, he did not privatize the benefits and nationalize the debts.
A Republican did.

Obama has good leadership qualities no doubt about that. I also think he is a Clinton like politician, meaning he will not want to go to extreme to appease everyone. Might be wrong on that call though.

Exactly. This guy is not extreme for a bit. That shows. He's a chess player. He thinks before acting, several moves in anticipation. He's an organizer. That's news, after 8 years of shooting without a second thought (or even a first).

I actually fear polosi more, who knows what she and her senate will try to pass....

I agree. She's light headed and might be dogmatic.

[BiscayneSunrise]

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Obama , no doubt, made history yesterday. But the real history is not so much that he is the first minority to become US president but that he is now in the driver seat as the world is in the beginnings of a major historical inflection point.

With very secure majorities in Congress and with the prospect of appointing judges to his liking, Obama and the Democratic Party will effectively control all three branches of government. On day 1, Obama will have more power than most presidents can ever dream of having.

Obama campaigned on wanting to develop closer ties with our allies and being tougher on Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan. (As an aside, in the eyes of Obama, our most important allies are west europe, or at least, they are the allies whose opinion matters the most.) If Obama is serious about being tough in Afghanistan, our west European allies may find it uncomfortable when Obama asks for greater military contribution. Along the same lines, he wants to be tough on Iran but pull troops out of Iraq. The two are mutually exclusive. A large military presence in the Gulf keeps pressure on the Iranians. As for keeping our other allies happy, the Saudi's are concerned with the Russian resurgence which means an alliance with iran and more meddling in the region. The saudi's very much want continued US presence in Iraq and the Gulf. A policy that makes one set of allies happy will likely make a different set of allies unhappy. The war in iraq pleased our Arab allies but upset our european allies. You can't please all of the people all of the time.

My point is Europe may be euphoric now about an Obama election but is is paramount to remember that they have very different interests than do the US. Witness, Angela Merkel cozying up to the Russians, suppliers of their energy.

In what is no doubt, not a coincidence, President Medved yesterday issued a challenge to US authority in Europe and announced new military expansion aimed at Europe. I wonder how fellow iTulipers from Europe feel about that? How will our allies in east Asia and the Mideast feel if we trade away their interests to hold off Russia. As someone on this thread mentioned Obama is a chess player, seeing several moves ahead. Well, the great game of geopolitics is exactly that, a chess game. I know a lot of people don't like the war in Iraq but in the chess game of global strategy, the US now holds a very significant strategic advantage in the mideast. The war in Iraq has been won, it is now just a matter of consolidating gains politically and diplomatically, we'll see if we can continue to so.

Obama is a master campaigner but he will likely find people like Putin, Merkel and Ahmedinejad not so amenable to his charisma. Joe Biden says Obama has a spine of steel and basically called out our enemies during the campaign. We will see.

[we_are_toast]

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With very secure majorities in Congress and with the prospect of appointing judges to his liking, Obama and the Democratic Party will effectively control all three branches of government. On day 1, Obama will have more power than most presidents can ever dream of having.

Incorrect. The Supreme court is currently one of the most extreme right wing courts in the nations history. It will be many years and maybe not in Obama's terms that the court can be restored to it's historic balance.

The Republican party did more filibusters(62) in one year than any party in the history of the Republic. They will do their best to stop any progress the country tries to make.

So the road to recovery from the damage that the dark decades of extremest control of the government will be difficult. We can only hope that there are some Republican moderates that will put their country above their party loyalty.

[Judas]

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Incorrect. The Supreme court is currently one of the most extreme right wing courts in the nations history. It will be many years and maybe not in Obama's terms that the court can be restored to it's historic balance.

I'm not sure I follow this.

Just recently the Supreme Court was just one vote away from removing the Second Amendment as an individual right, the Kelo case was devastating to private property rights in the face of the "communal good"/government revenues, race-based "affirmative action" discrimination in hiring and educational opportunities upheld, etc.

How does indicate an "extreme right wing" bias in the court?