100 items to disappear first in a crisis

[jpatter666]

I found this interesting to review. A few comments by a Sarajavo war survivor included this very interesting one....

3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.

So there you go, if you don't have gold, TP is still fairly priced (not sure whether to give this a wink or not!)

http://thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm

[dummass]

Re: 100 items to disappear first in a crisis

I found this interesting to review. A few comments by a Sarajavo war survivor included this very interesting one....

3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war
quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.

So there you go, if you don't have gold, TP is still fairly priced (not sure whether to give this a wink or not!)

http://thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm

Having spent years cruising on a sail boat, I can attest to many of these items. While visiting remote areas, trade items are far more important than money. I once traded a bar of soap for three good sized lobsters.

[dummass]

Re: 100 items to disappear first in a crisis

The Power Hour is a great resource, too, available on SSB and HAM frequencies. You might want to add a short wave radio to the list (# 101)

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: 100 items to disappear first in a crisis

http://thepowerhour.com/news/items_disappearfirst.htm

Nice list - thanks!

[goadam1]

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What are you guys preparing for? Y2k? small nuke attack? We have a monetary and structural economic problem. It's not the "road" out there.
From "The Road" (great book):

In those first years the roads were peopled with refugees shrouded up in their clothing. Wearing masks and goggles, sitting in their rags by the side of the road like ruined aviators. Their barrows heaped with shoddy. Towing wagons or carts. Their eyes bright in their skulls. Creedless shells of men tottering down the causeways like migrants in a feverland. The frailty of everything revealed at last. Old and troubling issues resolved into nothingness and night. The last instance of a thing takes the class with it. Turns out the light and is gone. Look around you. Ever is a long time. But the boy knew what he knew. That ever is no time at all.
The Road

[jpatter666]

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What are you guys preparing for? Y2k? small nuke attack? We have a monetary and structural economic problem. It's not the "road" out there.

Well, I thought it was interesting to post just to see the list. There were some things I'd never thought of! I'm *not* gathering all this stuff although I found reviewing the list fascinating.

I *was* interested by the gold/TP comment. Reminded me that in the end, the price of any thing is what it will bring. Gold, IMO *assumes* some system of commerce/monetary exchange. In a complete collapse/barter economy it might be nearly valueless.

[Kadriana]

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What are you guys preparing for? Y2k? small nuke attack? We have a monetary and structural economic problem. It's not the "road" out there.
From "The Road" (great book):

I remember going through the East Coast Blackout of 2003. You couldn't get gas anywhere, cook anything and all the food in the fridge quickly went bad since it was the middle of summer. I had to eat granola bars and potato chips for 4 days straight. With our aging infrastructure, loosing power for a week or two is in the realm of possibilities. My sister lost her power last year during a winter storm and realized she only had an electric can opener. Most of the items on the list are practical for things besides a nuke attack.

[jpatter666]

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I remember going through the East Coast Blackout of 2003. You couldn't get gas anywhere, cook anything and all the food in the fridge quickly went bad since it was the middle of summer. I had to eat granola bars and potato chips for 4 days straight. With our aging infrastructure, loosing power for a week or two is in the realm of possibilities. My sister lost her power last year during a winter storm and realized she only had an electric can opener. Most of the items on the list are practical for things besides a nuke attack.

Valid point. Those of us living on the US East Coast are familiar with these troublesome little storms sometimes known as hurricanes and nor'easters

Might review that list again.... :p

[Kadriana]

Re: 100 items to disappear first in a crisis

Valid point. Those of us living on the US East Coast are familiar with these troublesome little storms sometimes known as hurricanes and nor'easters

Might review that list again.... :p

Yea, there are a lot of little reasons to make sure you're stocked up on things. I have a friend who had to overnight children's ibuprofen to her brother because the stores were sold out from so many kids having swine flu in the area. Imagine your child having a 103 temp and you don't have any medicine in the house.

[goadam1]

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Preparing for a disaster should be everyone's business. And it is good to be reminded of how complex and vulnerable the system is.

The rest borders on doomer porn. Fun to think about. I am always prepared fo a zombie attack.

Valid point. Those of us living on the US East Coast are familiar with these troublesome little storms sometimes known as hurricanes and nor'easters

Might review that list again.... :p

[ricket]

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In those first years the roads were peopled with refugees shrouded up in their clothing. Wearing masks and goggles, sitting in their rags by the side of the road like ruined aviators. Their barrows heaped with shoddy. Towing wagons or carts. Their eyes bright in their skulls. Creedless shells of men tottering down the causeways like migrants in a feverland. The frailty of everything revealed at last. Old and troubling issues resolved into nothingness and night. The last instance of a thing takes the class with it. Turns out the light and is gone. Look around you. Ever is a long time. But the boy knew what he knew. That ever is no time at all.
The Road

This is the reality for quite a few people actually. Just because it's not like that in part of the world doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

[goadam1]

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If the discussion is America turning into a banana republic with a vast and increasing underclass, then we should have that discussion.

The thread was on the order of the 69th thing to vanish is dental floss. Are we talking about the breakdown of civilization or a growing bottom. In Mexico you still get dental floss even if there are shanty towns in Tijuana.

This is the reality for quite a few people actually. Just because it's not like that in part of the world doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

[goadam1]

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I remember going through the East Coast Blackout of 2003. You couldn't get gas anywhere, cook anything and all the food in the fridge quickly went bad since it was the middle of summer. I had to eat granola bars and potato chips for 4 days straight. With our aging infrastructure, loosing power for a week or two is in the realm of possibilities. My sister lost her power last year during a winter storm and realized she only had an electric can opener. Most of the items on the list are practical for things besides a nuke attack.

The government tells you to have a kit and supplies on hand as part of your civic duty.



Not the same as bartering grandma's china for tampons.

[Andreuccio]

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Yea, there are a lot of little reasons to make sure you're stocked up on things. I have a friend who had to overnight children's ibuprofen to her brother because the stores were sold out from so many kids having swine flu in the area. Imagine your child having a 103 temp and you don't have any medicine in the house.

My wife frequently chafes at the amount of meds I like to keep on hand, (she frequently chafes at a lot of other things I do, too, but that's another story ;)). This morning, though, she told me we had completely burned through the supply of kids ibuprofen. Time for a run to Costco. I like to beat the rush on the panic buying.

There's a lot of great things on this list. Storing a bit extra of most of these things doesn't cost that much. But in an emergency having them on hand would be great, and as other posters have noted, an emergency doesn't have to mean Mad Max.

I think we've gone through 4 bottles of Ibuprofin in about two weeks. (We probably have 4-6 more in the garage my wife forgot about.) The kids haven't been that sick for that long, and yet we're halfway through what most people would consider a doomer level supply. The emergency rooms are packed with kids who have the flu right now, so I imagine sales of kids' Ibuprofin have been brisk. As Kadriana said, I'd hate to face a situation where my kid had a 103 temp and not have any meds on hand.

[doom&gloom]

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I remember going through the East Coast Blackout of 2003. You couldn't get gas anywhere, cook anything and all the food in the fridge quickly went bad since it was the middle of summer. I had to eat granola bars and potato chips for 4 days straight. With our aging infrastructure, loosing power for a week or two is in the realm of possibilities. My sister lost her power last year during a winter storm and realized she only had an electric can opener. Most of the items on the list are practical for things besides a nuke attack.

there was this PBS-style program that went overhow society would fall apart in just a few weeks if we lost power, etc. I forgot the name of it, but it was interesting. covered how everything is tied together.