Politicians supress influenza response... again

[jtabeb]

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I nominate

" Bush & Cheney's anthrax "

"Rummie, Chummy, and Dummy virus"?

[lakedaemonian]

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Totally without any imagination. Let's do the usual and call it "Eurasian Flu". That way we can not-so-subtly lay the blame simultaneously on two foreign continents, and spare our North American NAFTA partner, Mexico, any embarassment...:rolleyes:

I wonder how many BIG PIG industrial agriculture special interest lobbyists it took to get this ball rolling?

I bet we see three things:

1.) President Obama photo op eating bacon every day for a month

2.) Swine flu name is changed to Guacamole Lesswell Syndrome

3.) The classification system used by administration to measure the dead and dying will change to include "G3: unliving" and "G6: unliving, clinically living, and those looking for life."

Not trying to derail the thread...just trying to add some levity...which I find absolutely necessary at times like this

[necron99]

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3.) The classification system used by administration to measure the dead and dying will change to include "G3: unliving" and "G6: unliving, clinically living, and those looking for life."

just trying to add some levity...

You succeeded. ROTFLMAO!!!

[Guest]

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Goadam - If the city imposes emergency measures you may be able to work temporarily from home for your employer (they may well even prefer that - and don't be afraid if push comes to shove to just use your parental prerogative and yank your kids out of school for the remainder of the semester. Stay at home dad with two rambunctious six year olds - if it comes to that your greatest challenge will be to figure out how to keep them occupied at home.

Talk about it with your wife - that can be a very effective response to this if it gets ugly. One person is delegated to do all the shopping, and takes stringent precautions. Long walks in the open air are allowed for recreation, etc. You get the picture. It all sounds a bit ridiculous, but don't be afraid to think right outside the box on this. Don't even give a damn what the neighbors would think or of being totally unconventional if it provides a better risk profile.

Personally I do not believe it will get remotely that bad but you can think over such scenarios and examine the logistics of it meanwhile. Explore the idea now, early - wth all the people you'd need to interact with to make it work. See how many cogs fit into place.

Ah, someone gets it. New York is going to be the second mega-city to be hit. It's a done deal. I have twin 6 year olds. So trying to figure out how deadly a pandemic flu is is my top priority. If this thing gives half the city the flu but has normal mortality rates, then we ride it out. But this thing was reported as an unbelievable 6 percent mortality rate. No way that is real but a 2% flu is pretty scary. Do we send the kids to school? Ride the subway? Go to the park? I'm sure if you are in suburbia right now this thing seems funny but I am up to the decision making point of this thing.

The weird part is I think we already had it. We had a wave at our school of half the kids with "flu like" symptoms. I got it. I still don't feel 100 percent. The doctors said it couldn't be flu because it wasn't around. Or was it already? I hope it was. If it was it was a pretty nasty flu but not as bad as 2003.

[Chomsky]

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Ah, someone gets it. New York is going to be the second mega-city to be hit. It's a done deal. I have twin 6 year olds. So trying to figure out how deadly a pandemic flu is is my top priority. If this thing gives half the city the flu but has normal mortality rates, then we ride it out. But this thing was reported as an unbelievable 6 percent mortality rate. No way that is real but a 2% flu is pretty scary. Do we send the kids to school? Ride the subway? Go to the park? I'm sure if you are in suburbia right now this thing seems funny but I am up to the decision making point of this thing.

The weird part is I think we already had it. We had a wave at our school of half the kids with "flu like" symptoms. I got it. I still don't feel 100 percent. The doctors said it couldn't be flu because it wasn't around. Or was it already? I hope it was. If it was it was a pretty nasty flu but not as bad as 2003.

Sorry for the flip comment. I am also in NYC and very concerned. I have an 11-month-old daughter. And it seems as though several of my coworkers already had it, too, some kind of annoying "flu" in the last two weeks or so.

[Adeptus]

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Personal Anectdote: Yes, it is entirely possible it has already been here (BC, Canada). I have a friend who returned from Hawaii 4 weeks ago and shortly after had a flu for 2 entire weeks (very unsual for him - healthy guy), and he claims "I've never been that sick in my life". This is a guy who eats reasonably well, and exercises almost daily. His 2 year old daughter also got very sick (but not his wife), and both have apparently recovered as of a couple of days ago. In my city there is only 1 confirmed case to date; however in Canada we've just gone from 6 confirmed cases to 13 overnight.

Economic Questions:
So how exactly will this affect the economy should a full blown pandemic ensue? That's the type of article I'd like to read from EJ/Fred.

My amateur guesses:

1) Export collapses deepen around the world in about 2 months due to mortality rate starting to impact demand
2) Unemployment figures improve as people on benefits die and can be erased from statistics, and those that had jobs also die making way for those still alive waiting for jobs.
3) Oil takes another nose dive as consumption lowers
4) Gold = ????
5) Stock markets mostly fall, and could fall hard, breaking recent rally. Pharmaceudicals way up, especially those making swine flu anti-virals, vaccinations or NanoMasks, swab kits and anything related to swine flu.
6) Currencies = ???


Personal Actions:
1) Time for me to finally get off my butt and renew my passport, although there's every probability that massive flight restrictions will be in play within a month.
2) Time to finally have a good reason to buy a freezer. Who knows just how much tainted food supply we'll have 1 month from now.
3) Gotta tell the bosses at work to up our Internet link's bandwidth and buy more VPN licenses, as we're gonna have 1/2 our work force working from home in no time.
4) Order NanoMasks for my family before they run out of stock.
5) Stop going swimming/sauna/steam room and do Yoga at home instead.
6) Load up on canned goods etc through a Costco/Superstore trip this week.
7) Start taking Vitamins daily - what's a good brand?
8) Pay extra attention to hygene, and all around cleanliness.

Any other good tips?

[Sharky]

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And it seems as though several of my coworkers already had it, too, some kind of annoying "flu" in the last two weeks or so.

Don't confuse swine flu with the regular seasonal flu. The US is just coming to the end of the season for the "usual" flu -- which, BTW, still kills 20 to 40K people every year in the US alone (250 to 500K world-wide). The swine flu is a totally different virus. Having immunity to one doesn't guarantee immunity to the other. That's why the usual flu vaccines aren't effective against swine flu, even though they are both Influenza A.

[Chris]

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Funny but totally futile....

Swine flu: Israel row over non-kosher virus name

Israel will continue to use the name Swine Flu for the deadly virus sweeping the world despite religious calls for it to be rebranded Mexican Flu.

[goadam1]

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Sorry for the flip comment. I am also in NYC and very concerned. I have an 11-month-old daughter. And it seems as though several of my coworkers already had it, too, some kind of annoying "flu" in the last two weeks or so.

Weird, right. Was that wave one?

[don]

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In October 2005 the Pentagon ordered vaccination of all US military personnel worldwide against what it called Avian Flu, H5N1. Scare stories filled world media. Then, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced he had budgeted more than $1 billion to stockpile the vaccine, Oseltamivir sold under the name, Tamiflu. President Bush called on Congress to appropriate another $2 billion for Tamiflu stocks.

What Rumsfeld neglected to report at the time was a colossal conflict of interest. Prior to coming to Washington in January 2001, Rumsfeld had been chairman of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences. Gilead Sciences held exclusive world patent rights to Tamiflu, a drug it had developed and whose world marketing rights were sold to the Swiss pharma giant, Roche. Rumsfeld was reportedly the largest stock holder in Gilead which got 10% of every Tamiflu dose Roche sold. 14 When it leaked out, the Pentagon issued a curt statement to the effect that Secretary Rumsfeld had decided not to sell but to retain his stock in Gilead, claiming that to sell would have indicated something to hide.’ That agonizing decision won him reportedly millions as the Gilead share price soared more than 700% in weeks.

Tamiflu is no mild candy to be taken lightly. It has heavy side effects. It contains matter that could have potentially deadly consequences for a person’s breathing and often reportedly leads to nausea, dizziness and other flu-like symptoms.

Since the outbreak of Swine Flu Panic (not Swine Flu but Swine Flu Panic) sales of Tamiflu as well as any and every possible drug marketed as flu related have exploded. Wall Street firms have rushed to issue ‘buy’ recommendations for the company. ‘Gimme me a shot Doc, I don’t care what it is…I don’ wanna die…’

Panic and fear of death was used by the Bush Administration skilfully to promote the Avian Flu fraud. With ominous echoes of the current Swine Flu scare, Avian Flu was traced back to huge chicken factory farms in Thailand and other parts of Asia whose products were shipped across the world. Instead of a serious investigation into the sanitary conditions of those chicken factory farms, the Bush Administration and WHO blamed ‘free-roaming chickens’ on small family farms, a move that had devastating economic consequences to the farmers whose chickens were being raised in the most sanitary natural conditions. Tyson Foods of Arkansas and CG Group of Thailand reportedly smiled all the way to the bank.

Now it remains to be seen if the Obama Administration will use the scare around so-called Swine Flu to repeat the same scenario, this time with ‘flying pigs’ instead of flying birds. Already Mexican authorities have reported that the number of deaths confirmed from so-called Swine Flu is 7 not the 150 or more bandied in the media and that most other suspected cases were ordinary flu or influenza.

from:
Flying Pigs, Tamiflu and Factory Farms

by F. William Engdahl

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=13408

[strittmatter]

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The weird part is I think we already had it. We had a wave at our school of half the kids with "flu like" symptoms. I got it. I still don't feel 100 percent.

FWIW,

Ditto for me and my crew about 3 - 4 weeks ago. I personally had not had flu or fever for years. With this I had one hellacious fever that lasted about 24 hours, then felt like a bad hangover for 2-3 more days.

I dunno.

[Jim Nickerson]

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FWIW,

Ditto for me and my crew about 3 - 4 weeks ago. I personally had not had flu or fever for years. With this I had one hellacious fever that lasted about 24 hours, then felt like a bad hangover for 2-3 more days.

I dunno.

I had Asian flu in 1957-8 and was bad sick. I had Hong Kong flu in 1968 and was bed-ridden for 4-5 days and so sick for the only time in life really did not care if I died I felt so badly. I'm no flu expert by any means, but if swine flu is in anyway comparable to the two I mentioned, getting over it in 24 hours is a piddling illness.

[strittmatter]

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I had Asian flu in 1957-8 and was bad sick. I had Hong Kong flu in 1968 and was bed-ridden for 4-5 days and so sick for the only time in life really did not care if I died I felt so badly. I'm no flu expert by any means, but if swine flu is in anyway comparable to the two I mentioned, getting over it in 24 hours is a piddling illness.

Could be Jim, again I'm just describing what happened to me. I did stay in bed for the better part of 2 days. The first 10 hours or so of the fever episode, like you described above, had me in "Take me now Lord" mode 100%.

[jtabeb]

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Any other good tips?

Purell hand sanitizer, lots of it.

[goadam1]

Re: Politicians supress influenza response... again

In October 2005 the Pentagon ordered vaccination of all US military personnel worldwide against what it called Avian Flu, H5N1. Scare stories filled world media. Then, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced he had budgeted more than $1 billion to stockpile the vaccine, Oseltamivir sold under the name, Tamiflu. President Bush called on Congress to appropriate another $2 billion for Tamiflu stocks.

What Rumsfeld neglected to report at the time was a colossal conflict of interest. Prior to coming to Washington in January 2001, Rumsfeld had been chairman of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences. Gilead Sciences held exclusive world patent rights to Tamiflu, a drug it had developed and whose world marketing rights were sold to the Swiss pharma giant, Roche. Rumsfeld was reportedly the largest stock holder in Gilead which got 10% of every Tamiflu dose Roche sold. 14 When it leaked out, the Pentagon issued a curt statement to the effect that Secretary Rumsfeld had decided not to sell but to retain his stock in Gilead, claiming that to sell would have indicated something to hide.’ That agonizing decision won him reportedly millions as the Gilead share price soared more than 700% in weeks.

Tamiflu is no mild candy to be taken lightly. It has heavy side effects. It contains matter that could have potentially deadly consequences for a person’s breathing and often reportedly leads to nausea, dizziness and other flu-like symptoms.

Since the outbreak of Swine Flu Panic (not Swine Flu but Swine Flu Panic) sales of Tamiflu as well as any and every possible drug marketed as flu related have exploded. Wall Street firms have rushed to issue ‘buy’ recommendations for the company. ‘Gimme me a shot Doc, I don’t care what it is…I don’ wanna die…’

Panic and fear of death was used by the Bush Administration skilfully to promote the Avian Flu fraud. With ominous echoes of the current Swine Flu scare, Avian Flu was traced back to huge chicken factory farms in Thailand and other parts of Asia whose products were shipped across the world. Instead of a serious investigation into the sanitary conditions of those chicken factory farms, the Bush Administration and WHO blamed ‘free-roaming chickens’ on small family farms, a move that had devastating economic consequences to the farmers whose chickens were being raised in the most sanitary natural conditions. Tyson Foods of Arkansas and CG Group of Thailand reportedly smiled all the way to the bank.

Now it remains to be seen if the Obama Administration will use the scare around so-called Swine Flu to repeat the same scenario, this time with ‘flying pigs’ instead of flying birds. Already Mexican authorities have reported that the number of deaths confirmed from so-called Swine Flu is 7 not the 150 or more bandied in the media and that most other suspected cases were ordinary flu or influenza.

from:
Flying Pigs, Tamiflu and Factory Farms

by F. William Engdahl

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=13408

War profiteer, flu profiteer, whatever. No doubt cheney and rumsfeld are scuzzy (google rumsfeld searle and nutrasweet).Have you done business with the government? It's not pretty if you want to make an honest buck.

Thankfully this doesn't seem to be a deadly pandemic. But don't confuse the real potential for a pandemic with the circus of media and business. We could have the same discussion about a collapse of a fiat currency or terrorism. It's all mixed up reverse conspiracies and some are true. But the "issue" and what you should do about it seems consistent with the core around here. Have knowledge. Protect yourself, your family and your extended network. Get political if you think it makes a difference. Discuss and educate. A box of gold, some bitterness and a cold gun won't make the world more livable.