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    Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive (Registration)
    October 21, 2006 (FLOYD NORRIS - New York Times)

    The Dow Jones industrial average is setting records in the United States, trading over the 12,000 level for the first time this week. But when adjusted for inflation, the American stock market lags behind those of many other countries, and appears to be going nowhere fast.

    The chart accompanying this article shows the last 10 years of the Dow, with the level adjusted for changes in the Consumer Price Index. After adjusting for inflation, it remains around 15 percent below the highs it reached in 2000, and has made little progress in recent years.

    AntiSpin: Better late than never. At long last the New York Times has caught up with our reclusive iTulip Real Dow expert, who has demonstrated for years that the Dow has averaged 1.64% real annual gains since 1924. Wall Street makes its money on trading the volatility, the ups a downs in the market.

    It remains to be seen whether the NYTimes reports on future developments in the Dow through this lens, or whether this excellent report represents a passing moment of clarity. In any case, we award the NYTimes' Floyd Norris the iTulip Honesty in Financial Reporting Award. Well done! And continued deepest appreciation to our anonymous analyst for his originally creating the Real Dow analysis and his tireless effort at maintaining it for iTulip.


    iTulip honors Floyd Norris of the New York Times
    Last edited by EJ; October 22, 2006, 08:14 PM.
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    Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

    it might be interesting to also have a curve adjusted for shadowstat's cpi.

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      Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

      Originally posted by jk
      it might be interesting to also have a curve adjusted for shadowstat's cpi.
      No please... then you only get depressed...
      Christoph von Gamm
      http://www.interenterprise.eu - with Queer-O-Pinion!

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        Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

        Originally posted by jk
        it might be interesting to also have a curve adjusted for shadowstat's cpi.
        Maybe, but why not just adjust for inflation? And instead of the thirty stock Dow Jones Industrial Average, look at the Dow Jones World stock index?

        Turns out it doesn't matter what country you live in, the real performance of stocks as an asset class has been considerably less that what would be implied by the scaling of new records.

        Finster
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          Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

          So, Finster, what inflation number did you use to calculate your graph? The FDR or the BLS numbers.
          Jim 69 y/o

          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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            Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

            Originally posted by Jim Nickerson
            So, Finster, what inflation number did you use to calculate your graph? The FDR or the BLS numbers.
            In the above chart, the DJW is deflated by the FDI. Far as I know, BLS does not publish an index of inflation.
            Finster
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              Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

              Originally posted by Finster
              In the above chart, the DJW is deflated by the FDI. Far as I know, BLS does not publish an index of inflation.
              So what is the CPI-U published at [url]http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2006/oct/wk3/art04.htm[/url}?
              Jim 69 y/o

              "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

              Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

              Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                Re: Viewed From Abroad, the Dow at 12,000 Isn’t So Impressive

                Originally posted by Jim Nickerson
                So what is the CPI-U published at [url]http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2006/oct/wk3/art04.htm[/url}?
                An index of consumer prices.
                Finster
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