$134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

a dozen independent sources document the fact that the treasury never printed more than $4billion in bonds. total. ever. and stopped printing any in the early 1980s.

I didn't realize we had independent sources for this claim, independent of the Treasury. Are you fairly sure?

[BuckarooBanzai]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

doesn't matter if the treasury is lying or not.... we took their word out of the equation here 3 week ago.

a dozen independent sources document the fact that the treasury never printed more than $4billion in bonds. total. ever. and stopped printing any in the early 1980s.

possible that the treasury has fooled everyone for the past 25 yrs? sure... and we didn't land on the moon, either.

"Independent sources"??? What on earth does that mean? You can cite all the "independent sources" you want to "support" the Treasury's assertions, but that's a pointless exercise if ever there was one. Because if the Treasury dept. decided to secretly print up a trillion dollars worth of bonds off the books, and sell them to some private party or foreign government, Treasury certainly wouldn't inform a bunch of "independent sources", LOL.

No, the only way you would know if it happened would be if some of those bonds surfaced accidentally.

[metalman]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

I didn't realize we had independent sources for this claim, independent of the Treasury. Are you fairly sure?

yes you did but you forgot...

[BuckarooBanzai]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

What you say is true, but it is also the starting point for batshit crazy conspiracy theories for those who are quick to abandon logic and rational thought. For some, it's an easy step from "we know the government lies and will harm it's own citizens" to "9-11 was an inside job."

So you are saying that (a) you KNOW the government lies continuously, and yet (b) you automatically and without reservation accept what the feds say about 9/11?

How do you live with that level of cognitive dissonance?

I'm not telling you what to believe about 9/11, but I am suggesting you might want to reconsider your approach to (b) given that you allegedly believe (a).

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

yes you did but you forgot...

I guess my reading skills are as weak as my memory .

Is that link you provide supposed to lead to even one independent source, much less the claimed dozen?

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

How do you live with that level of cognitive dissonance?

Ah - good. At least I claim innocence here. No cognitive dissonance evidenced. .

I don't trust any of it, especially the important parts.

[metalman]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

"Independent sources"??? What on earth does that mean? You can cite all the "independent sources" you want to "support" the Treasury's assertions, but that's a pointless exercise if ever there was one. Because if the Treasury dept. decided to secretly print up a trillion dollars worth of bonds off the books, and sell them to some private party or foreign government, Treasury certainly wouldn't inform a bunch of "independent sources", LOL.

No, the only way you would know if it happened would be if some of those bonds surfaced accidentally.

so your idea is that http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com is an arm of the treasury dept./gov't and they cleverly posted that data about how many bearer bonds were ever printed years before the $134.5b scam to throw us all off.

is it possible that all of the sources of info on the internet and in print that assert the treasury never printed more than $4 billion in securities of any kind are all lying for the gov't?

sure it's possible... but highly improbable.

there is very little proof of anything in this world. a rational mind is a probabilistic mind. what is the point of searching out complicated, improbable explanations when a simple and probable one is available?

911... a group of clever and determined anti-usa fanatics devised a scheme to attack the usa by exploiting a security hole and got lucky... won the anti-usa terrorist lottery.

jfk assasination... another fanatic took advantage of a president's weakness for taking risks (his whole family has the disease) and shot him with a high powered rifle while he rode in an open car.

fake bonds... two scammers faked (not counterfiet) usa bonds... hoped to use them as callateral for a loan, to create confusion in the tbond market for a trade, or who knows what.

[D-Mack]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

so your idea is that http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com is an arm of the treasury dept./gov't and they cleverly posted that data about how many bearer bonds were ever printed years before the $134.5b scam to throw us all off.

is it possible that all of the sources of info on the internet and in print that assert the treasury never printed more than $4 billion in securities of any kind are all lying for the gov't?

sure it's possible... but highly improbable.

there is very little proof of anything in this world. a rational mind is a probabilistic mind. what is the point of searching out complicated, improbable explanations when a simple and probable one is available?

911... a group of clever and determined anti-usa fanatics devised a scheme to attack the usa by exploiting a security hole and got lucky... won the anti-usa terrorist lottery.

jfk assasination... another fanatic took advantage of a president's weakness for taking risks (his whole family has the disease) and shot him with a high powered rifle while he rode in an open car.

fake bonds... two scammers faked (not counterfiet) usa bonds... hoped to use them as callateral for a loan, to create confusion in the tbond market for a trade, or who knows what.

Bill Hicks on JFK Assasination

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

so your idea is that http://www.crimes-of-persuasion.com is an arm of the treasury dept./gov't

Where do you think crimes-of-persuasion got their information? I am unaware of an independent reliable and detailed source of such information.

[Ghent12]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

Bill Hicks on JFK Assasination

Heh, seems as if he has never shot a head before... or a melon.

But that part at the end about American Gladiators... I have heard that before... was it in Fight Club?

[D-Mack]

Re: $134.5 in fake government securities: Case closed, sans tin foil hat

Heh, seems as if he has never shot a head before... or a melon.

But that part at the end about American Gladiators... I have heard that before... was it in Fight Club?

I don't know, even if it was, Hicks died in 1994 and Fight Club is from 1999.

Years ago it was American Gladiators and now it's American Idol, at least it's made in America, although the idea came from somewhere else.

[tooppy]

Surely not closed

Sorry because this enlighting article is in Italian:

http://www.comedonchisciotte.org/sit...ticle&sid=6104

but this investigating journalist is no bullshiter.

[dbarberic]

Re: Surely not closed

Sorry because this enlighting article is in Italian:

http://www.comedonchisciotte.org/sit...ticle&sid=6104

but this investigating journalist is no bullshiter.

A very poor translation of the page from Google web translation:
http://tinyurl.com/n24vqf

There seems to be some really interesting connections between the two Japanese individuals stopped and connections to the Japanese Treasury. One is a manger in the Japanese Ministry of Finance and the other is a vice governor of the Bank of Japan and has some connection to the "Rescue of the Yen by the US" in 1998 (hard to understand in the translation).

The article also seems to say that the CIA warned Italy of a flood of US bonds coming from North Korea which helped tip off to do the stop of the two business men. However, the Journalist seems to be saying that North Korea never possessed that amound of US bonds.

The other strange thing is that they were in possession of 10 Kennedy Notes of $1 Billion each which are US Treasury notes, not Federal Reserve notes. The journalist seems to suspect that they were used to help rescue the Yen in 1998.

I'd like some other members to read the translation and see if they can make head and tails of what the journalist is saying.

[tooppy]

Let sum it up

Let start all over again :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5YxQusWdzU
Here is the Italian official declaration :
http://www.agenziadogane.it/wps/wcm/...df?MOD=AJPERES
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15505&size=A
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15588
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=15648

Now if you read this article dated on March 27 2007:

http://www.reuters.com/article/reute...45129420070327

you'll find :

..... U.S. TIC data show that during the 12 months ending January 2007, Japanese investors bought just $18.2 billion in Treasury coupons, or approximately $1.5 billion a month, a sharp contrast from the 12 months ending January 2005 when Japanese investors purchased $134.5 billion of U.S. government debt, McCarthy noted.....

These US Treasury Checks have a five years validity which bring us to the 2010 deadline, we are right in.
To have an example of the validity here is a similar sample :
http://etleboro.com/documents/copy-title.pdf

If you put together :
- that one japanese arrested is Tuneo Yamauchi, brother-in-la of Toshiro Muto, who was until recently Deputy Governor of the Bank of Japan
- that following the executive order 11110 issue by J.F. Kennedy :
http://www.scribd.com/doc/3026543/Executive-Order-11110
the Kennedy's notes could have been issued any time by the Treasury (red serial numbers and mentioned United states of America)
- that these two men have been liberated within few days, (if fakes they should be in jail, if not the long arm of power is behind)
- that the figures strangely fit with the 2005 Japanese bonds buys, with five years validity
- that only the BIS in Switzerland could have recieved these notes
- that a total blackout is surrounding the story

the most logical conclusion is these papers aren't fakes and the case should spread all over the medias. The Japanese are trying to get rid off their bond and cash them.

[marvenger]

Re: Let sum it up

Let start all over again :
- that these two men have been liberated within few days, (if fakes they should be in jail, if not the long arm of power is behind)

that is weird.