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  • The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

    http://realitysandwich.com/money_and...s_civilization

    Suppose you give me a million dollars with the instructions, "Invest this profitably, and I'll pay you well." I'm a sharp dresser -- why not? So I go out onto the street and hand out stacks of bills to random passers-by. Ten thousand dollars each. In return, each scribbles out an IOU for $20,000, payable in five years. I come back to you and say, "Look at these IOUs! I have generated a 20% annual return on your investment." You are very pleased, and pay me an enormous commission.

    Now I've got a big stack of IOUs, so I use these "assets" as collateral to borrow even more credit, which I lend out to even more people, or sell them to others like myself who do the same. I also buy insurance to cover me in case the borrowers default -- and I pay for it with those self-same IOUs! Round and round it goes, each new loan becoming somebody's asset on which to borrow yet more credit. We all rake in huge commissions and bonuses, as the total face value of all the assets we've created from that initial million dollars is now fifty times that.

    Then one day, the first batch of IOUs comes due. But guess what? The person who scribbled his name on the IOU can't pay me back right now. In fact, lots of the borrowers can't. I try to hush up this embarrassing fact as long as possible, but pretty soon you get suspicious. You want your million-plus dollars back -- in cash. I try to sell the IOUs and their derivatives that I hold, but everyone else is suspicious too, and no one buys them. The insurance company tries to cover my losses, but it can only do so by selling the IOUs I gave it!

    So finally, the government steps in and buys the IOUs, bails out the insurance company and everyone else holding the IOUs and the derivatives stacked on them. Their total value is way more than a million dollars now. I and my fellow entrepreneurs retire with our lucre. Everyone else pays for it.

    This is the first level of what has happened in the financial industry over the past decade. It is a huge transfer of wealth to the financial elite, to be funded by US taxpayers, foreign corporations and governments, and ultimately the foreign workers who subsidize US debt indirectly via the lower purchasing power of their wages. However, to see the current crisis as merely the result of a big con is to miss its true significance.

    I think we all sense that we are nearing the end of an era. On the most superficial level, it is the era of unregulated casino-style financial manipulation that is ending. But the current efforts of the political elites to fix the crisis at this level will only reveal its deeper dimensions. In fact, the crisis goes "all the way to the bottom." It arises from the very nature of credit and property in the world today, and it will persist and continue to intensify until credit itself is transformed. A process centuries in the making is in its final stages of unfoldment.

    Credit as we know it today has crisis and collapse built into its basic design (Usury). That is because credit seeks interest, bears interest, and indeed is born of interest. To see how this works, lets go back to some finance basics. Credit is created when somebody takes out a loan from a bank (or more recently, a disguised loan from some other kind of institution). A debt is a promise to pay credit in the future in order to buy something today; in other words, borrowing credit is a form of delayed trading. I receive something now (bought with the creditI borrowed) and agree to give something in the future (a good or service which I will sell for the credit to pay back the debt). A bank or any other lender will ordinarily only agree to lend you credit if there is a reasonable expectation you will pay it back; in other words, if there is a reasonable expectation you will produce goods or services of equivalent value. This "reasonable expectation" can be guaranteed in the form of collateral, or it can be encoded in one's credit rating.

    Any time you use credit, you are essentially guaranteeing "I have performed a service or provided a good of equivalent value to the one I am buying." If the credit is borrowed credit, you are saying that you will provide an equivalent good/service in the future.

    Now enter interest. What motivates a bank to lend anyone credit in the first place? It is interest. Interest drives the creation of credit today. Any time credit is created through debt, a need to create even more credit in the future is also created. The amount of credit must grow over time, which means that the volume of goods and services must grow over time as well.

    If the volume of credit grows faster than the volume of goods and services, the result is inflation. If it grows more slowly -- for example through a slowdown in lending -- the result is bankruptcies, recession, or deflation. The government can increase or decrease the supply of credit in several ways. First, it can create credit by borrowing it from the central bank, or in America, from the Federal Reserve. This credit ends up as bank deposits, which in turn give banks more margin reserves on which to extend loans. You see, a bank's capacity to create credit is limited by margin reserve requirements. Typically, a bank must hold cash (or central bank deposits) equal to about 10% of its total customer deposits. The other 90%, it can loan out, thus creating new credit. This credit ends up back in a bank as deposits, allowing another 81% of it (90% of 90%) to be lent out again. In this way, each dollar of initial deposits ends up as $9 of new credit. Government spending of credit borrowed from the central bank acts a seed for new credit creation. (Of course, this depends on banks' willingness to lend! In a credit freeze, banks hoard excess reserves and the repeated injections of government credit have little effect.)

    Another way to increase the credit supply is to lower margin reserve requirements. In practice this is rarely done, at least directly. However, in the last decade, various kinds of non-bank lending have skirted the margin reserve requirement, through the alphabet soup of financial instruments you've been hearing about in the news. The result is that each dollar of original equity has been leveraged not to nine times it original value, as in traditional banking, but to 70 times or even more. This has allowed returns on investment far beyond the 5% or so available from traditional banking, along with "compensation" packages beyond the dreams of avarice.

    Each new dollar that is created comes with a new dollar of debt -- more than a dollar of debt, because of interest. The debt is eventually redeemed either with goods and services, or with more borrowed credit, which in turn can be redeemed with yet more borrowed credit... but eventually it will be used to buy goods and services. The interest has to come from somewhere. Borrowing more credit to make the interest payments on an existing loan merely postpones the day of reckoning by deferring the need to create new goods and services.

    The whole system of interest-bearing credit works fine as long as the volume of goods and services exchanged for credit keeps growing. The crisis we are seeing today is in part because new credit has been created much faster than goods and services have, and much faster than has been historically sustainable. There are only two ways out of such a situation: inflation and defaults. Each involve the destruction of credit. The current convulsions of the financial and political elites basically come down to a futile attempt to prevent both. Their first concern is to prevent the evaporation of credit through massive bankruptcies, because it is, after all, their credit.

    There is a much deeper crisis at work as well, a crisis in the creation of goods and services that underlies credit to begin with, and it is this crisis that gave birth to the real estate bubble everyone blames for the current situation. To understand it, let's get clear on what constitutes a "good" or a "service". In economics, these terms refer to something that is exchanged for credit. If I baby sit your children for free, economists don't count it as a service. It cannot be used to pay a financial debt: I cannot go to the supermarket and say, "I watched my neighbors kids this morning, so please give me food." But if I open a day care center and charge you credit, I have created a "service". GDP rises and, according to economists, society has become wealthier.

    The same is true if I cut down a forest and sell the timber. While it is still standing and inaccessible, it is not a good. It only becomes "good" when I build a logging road, hire labor, cut it down, and transport it to a buyer. I convert a forest to timber, a commodity, and GDP goes up. Similarly, if I create a new song and share it for free, GDP does not go up and society is not considered wealthier, but if I copyright it and sell it, it becomes a good. Or I can find a traditional society that uses herbs and shamanic techniques for healing, destroy their culture and make them dependent on pharmaceutical medicine which they must purchase, evict them from their land so they cannot be subsistence farmers and must buy food, clear the land and hire them on a banana plantation -- and I have made the world richer. I have brought various functions, relationships, and natural resources into the realm of credit. In The Ascent of Humanity I describe this process in depth: the conversion of social capital, natural capital, cultural capital, and spiritual capital into credit.

    Essentially, for the economy to continue growing and for the (interest-based) credit system to remain viable, more and more of nature and human relationship must be monetized. For example, thirty years ago most meals were prepared at home; today some two-thirds are prepared outside, in restaurants or supermarket delis. A once unpaid function, cooking, has become a "service". And we are the richer for it. Right?

    Another major engine of economic growth over the last three decades, child care, has also made us richer. We are now relieved of the burden of caring for our own children. We pay experts instead, who can do it much more efficiently.

    In ancient times entertainment was also a free, participatory function. Everyone played an instrument, sang, participated in drama. Even 75 years ago in America, every small town had its own marching band and baseball team. Now we pay for those services. The economy has grown. Hooray.

    The crisis we are facing today arises from the fact there is almost no more social, cultural, natural, and spiritual capital left to convert into credit. Centuries, millennia of near-continuous credit creation has left us so destitute that we have nothing left to sell. Our forests are damaged beyond repair, our soil depleted and washed into the sea, our fisheries fished out, the rejuvenating capacity of the earth to recycle our waste saturated. Our cultural treasury of songs and stories, images and icons, has been looted and copyrighted. Any clever phrase you can think of is already a trademarked slogan. Our very human relationships and abilities have been taken away from us and sold back, so that we are now dependent on strangers, and therefore on credit, for things few humans ever paid for until recently: food, shelter, clothing, entertainment, child care, cooking. Life itself has become a consumer item. Today we sell away the last vestiges of our divine bequeathment: our health, the biosphere and genome, even our own minds. This is the process that is culminating in our age. It is almost complete, especially in America and the "developed" world. In the developing world there still remain people who live substantially in gift cultures, where natural and social wealth is not yet the subject of property. Globalization is the process of stripping away these assets, to feed the credit machine's insatiable, existential need to grow. Yet this strip mining of other lands is running up against its limits too, both because there is almost nothing left to take, and because of growing pockets of effective resistance.

    The result is that the supply of credit-- and the corresponding volume of debt -- has for several decades outstripped the production of goods and services that it promises. It is deeply related to the classic problem of oversupply in capitalist economics. The Marxian crisis of capital can be deferred into the future as long as new, high-profit industries and markets can be developed to compensate for the vicious circle of falling profits, falling wages, depressed consumption, and overproduction in mature industries. The continuation of capitalism as we know it depends on an infinite supply of these new industries, which essentially must convert infinite new realms of social, natural, cultural, and spiritual capital into credit. The problem is, these resources are finite, and the closer they come to exhaustion, the more painful their extraction becomes. Therefore, contemporaneous with the financial crisis we have an ecological crisis and a health crisis. They are intimately interlinked. We cannot convert much more of the earth into credit, or much more of our health into credit, before the basis of life itself is threatened.

    Faced with the exhaustion of the non-monetized commonwealth that it consumes, financial capital has tried to delay the inevitable by cannibalizing itself. The dot-com bubble of the late 90s showed that the productive economy could not longer keep up with the growth of credit. Lots of excess credit was running around frantically, searching for a place where the promise of deferred goods and services could be redeemed. So, to postpone the inevitable crash, the Fed slashed interest rates and loosened monetary policy to allow old debts to be repaid with new debts (rather than real goods and services). The new financial goods and services that arose were phony, artifacts of deceptive accounting on a vast, systemic scale.

    Various pundits have observed that the Bernard Madoff Ponzi scheme was not so different from the financial industry's pyramid of mortgaged-based derivatives and other instruments, which themselves formed a bubble that, like Madoff's, could only sustain itself through an unceasing, indeed exponentially-growing, influx of new credit. As such, it is a symbol of our times -- and even more than people suppose. It is not only the Wall Street casino economy that is an unsustainable pyramid scheme. The larger economic system, based as it is on the eternal conversion of a finite commonwealth into credit, is unsustainable as well. It is like a bonfire that must burn higher and higher, to the exhaustion of all available fuel. Just as fire breaks existing chemical bonds and frees heat, so does our economy break the bonds of community, nature, and culture, liberating free energy -- called credit-- in the process. Only a fool would think that a fire can burn ever-higher when the supply of fuel is finite. To extend the metaphor, the recent deindustrialization and financialization of the economy amounts to using the heat to create more fuel. According to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, the amount created is always less than the amount expended to create it. Obviously, the practice of borrowing new credit to pay the principal and interest of old debts cannot last very long, but that is what the economy as a whole has done for ten years now.

    Yet even abandoning this folly, we still must face the depletion of fuel (remember, I mean not literal energy sources, but any bond of nature or culture that can be turned into a commodity). Most of the proposals for addressing the present economic crisis amount to finding more fuel. Whether it is drilling more oil wells, paving over more green space, or spurring consumer spending, the goal is to reignite economic growth; that is to expand the realm of goods and services. It means finding new things for which we can pay. Today, unimaginably to our forebears, we pay even for our water and our songs. What else is left to convert into money?

    A collapse is coming, unavoidably; indeed, we are in the midst of it. The first government response, the bailout, was an attempt to uphold a tower of credit that is far beyond the total value of real goods and services it promises to redeem. Predictably, the bailout was a miserable failure. The next response, Obama's massive stimulus package, will fail for a different and much deeper reason. It will fail because we are "maxed out": maxed out on nature's capacity to receive our wastes without destroying the ecological basis of civilization; maxed out on society's ability to withstand any more loss of community and connection; maxed out on our forests' ability to withstand more clear cuts; maxed out on the human body's capacity to stay viable in a depleted, toxic world. That we are also maxed out on our credit only reflects that we have nothing left to convert into credit. Do we really need more roads and bridges? Can we sustain more of them, and more of the industrial economy that goes along? Government stimulus programs will at best prolong the current economic system for two or three years, with perhaps a brief period of growth as we complete the pillage of nature, spirit, body, and culture. When these vestiges of the commonwealth are gone, then nothing will be able to stop a massive inflationary surge and currency collapse on a global scale.

    The present crisis is actually the final stage of what began in the 1930s. Successive solutions to the fundamental problem of keeping pace with credit that expands with the rate of interest have been applied, and exhausted. The first effective solution was war, a state which has been permanent since 1940. Unfortunately, or rather fortunately, nuclear weapons and a shift in human consciousness have limited the solution of endless military escalation. Other solutions -- globalization, technology-enabled development of new goods and services to replace human functions never before commoditized, and technology-enabled plunder of natural resources once off limits, and finally financial auto-cannibalism -- have similarly run their course. Unless there are realms of wealth I have not considered, and new depths of poverty, misery, and alienation to which we might plunge, the inevitable cannot be delayed much longer.

    In the face of the impending crisis, people often ask what they can do to protect themselves. "Buy gold? Stockpile canned goods? Build a fortified compound in a remote area? What should I do?" I would like to suggest a different kind of question: "What is the most beautiful thing I can do?" You see, the gathering crisis presents a tremendous opportunity. Deflation, the destruction of credit, is only a categorical evil if the creation of credit is a categorical good. However, you can see from the examples I have given that the creation of credit has in many ways impoverished us all. Conversely, the destruction of credit has the potential to enrich us. It offers the opportunity to reclaim parts of the lost commonwealth from the realm of credit and property.

    We actually see this happening every time there is an economic recession. People can no longer pay for various goods and services, and so have to rely on friends and neighbors instead. Where there is no credit to facilitate transactions, gift economies reemerge and new kinds of credit are created. Ordinarily, though, people and institutions fight tooth and nail to prevent that from happening. The habitual first response to economic crisis is to make and keep more credit-- to accelerate the conversion of anything you can into credit. On a systemic level, the debt surge is generating enormous pressure to extend the commodification of the commonwealth. We can see this happening with the calls to drill for oil in Alaska, commence deep-sea drilling, and so on. The time is here, though, for the reverse process to begin in earnest -- to remove things from the realm of goods and services, and return them to the realm of gifts, reciprocity, self-sufficiency, and community sharing. Note well: this is going to happen anyway in the wake of a currency collapse, as people lose their jobs or become too poor to buy things. People will help each other and real communities will reemerge.

    In the meantime, anything we do to protect some natural or social resource from conversion into credit will both hasten the collapse and mitigate its severity. Any forest you save from development, any road you stop, any cooperative playgroup you establish; anyone you teach to heal themselves, or to build their own house, cook their own food, make their own clothes; any wealth you create or add to the public domain; anything you render off-limits to the world-devouring Machine, will help shorten the Machine's lifespan. Think of it this way: if you already do not depend on credit for some portion of life's necessities and pleasures, then the collapse of credit will pose much less of a harsh transition for you. The same applies to the social level. Any network or community or social institution that is not a vehicle for the conversion of life into credit will sustain and enrich life after credit.

    Elsewhere I have described alternative credit systems, based on mutual credit and demurrage, that do not drive the conversion of all that is good, true, and beautiful into credit. These enact a fundamentally different human identity, a fundamentally different sense of self, from what dominates today. No more will it be true that more for me is less for you. On a personal level, the deepest possible revolution we can enact is a revolution in our sense of self, in our identity. The discrete and separate self of Descartes and Adam Smith has run its course and is becoming obsolete. We are realizing our own inseparateness, from each other and from the totality of all life. Interest belies this union, for it seeks growth of the separate self at the expense of something external, something other. Probably everyone reading this essay agrees with the principles of interconnectedness, whether from a Buddhistic or an ecological perspective. The time has come to live it. It is time to enter the spirit of the gift, which embodies the felt understanding of non-separation. It is becoming abundantly obvious that less for you (in all its dimensions) is also less for me. The ideology of perpetual gain has brought us to a state of poverty so destitute that we are gasping for air. That ideology, and the civilization built upon it, is what is collapsing today.

    Individually and collectively, anything we do to resist or postpone the collapse will only make it worse. Let us stop resisting the revolution in human beingness. If we want to survive the multiple crises unfolding today, let us not seek to survive them. That is the mindset of separation; that is resistance, a clinging to a dying past. Instead, let us shift our perspective toward reunion, and think in terms of what we can give. What can we each contribute to a more beautiful world? That is our only responsibility and our only security.

    More concretely, let us engage in conscious, purposeful credit destruction in place of the unconscious destruction of credit that happens in a collapsing economy. If you still have credit to invest, invest it in enterprises that explicitly seek to build community, protect nature, and preserve the cultural commonwealth. Expect a zero or negative financial return on your investment -- that is a good sign that you are not unintentionally converting even more of the world to credit. Whether or not you have credit to invest, you can also reclaim what was sold away by taking steps out the credit economy. Anything you learn to do for yourself or for other people, without paying for it; any utilization of recycled or discarded materials; anything you make instead of buy, give instead of sell; any new skill or new song or new art you teach yourself or another, will reduce the dominion of credit and grow a gift economy to sustain us through the coming transition. The world of the Gift, echoing primitive gift societies, the web of ecology, and the spiritual teachings of the ages, is nigh upon us. It tugs on our heartstrings and awakens our generosity. Shall we heed its call, before the remainder of earth's beauty is consumed?
    The word money was replaced by the word credit in the above, as suggested by Carl.

  • #2
    Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

    Thank you Sapiens. I always have a hard time getting my mind around this idea.

    Each new dollar that is created comes with a new dollar of debt -- more than a dollar of debt, because of interest. The debt is eventually redeemed either with goods and services, or with more borrowed money, which in turn can be redeemed with yet more borrowed money... but eventually it will be used to buy goods and services. The interest has to come from somewhere.

    You are constantly pounding this point home. This article helped me a great deal. I'm not sure why this particular time it got through.





    I found this item a little saddening.

    I think we all sense that we are nearing the end of an era. On the most superficial level, it is the era of unregulated casino-style financial manipulation that is ending.


    The first 19 words, I took different than I think it was intended. To me the sentence is more powerful if it starts, On the most superficial level, I think we all sense.....

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      Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

      Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
      Each new dollar that is created comes with a new dollar of debt -- more than a dollar of debt, because of interest. ... The interest has to come from somewhere
      It just occurred to me that this is not correct. There is not an inherent problem with interest. Usury is not inherently "bad" or unstable; it is not mathematically guaranteed to self-destruct in some sort of "heat death". Neither is usury, in my ethical view at least, inherently immoral.

      More over, by blaming usury for our current difficulties we miss the proper explanation for them.

      First let me give an example where usury works out ok. Let's say you and I both live on a small island, in a stable community with a comfortable and self-contained economy that uses for its money a thousand pieces of gold left behind by a pirate long ago. You and I both go to work for a month, and each earn 10 pieces of gold. You decide you want to buy an ox that costs 15 pieces of gold, and I decide to loan 5 pieces to you, with a promise that you will return 6 pieces next month. You buy your ox and continue working, earning another 10 pieces next month. You pay back the 6 pieces as promised. All is well.

      Essentially, instead of you having paid me that 1 piece of gold for some labor I might have performed for you, you paid it to me for the rent of the 10 pieces for a month. So far as conservation of gold pieces is concerned, there is no difference.

      There are artificial examples resembling the above which fail, because they have all the gold being returned, with interest, to a single "banker" on a single day, which of course cannot happen. However any practical monetary system has enough currency in circulation that such a complete recall, in hard currency, of all present and future values, in one place at one time, is never attempted nor seriously desired.

      The actual problem is the misallocation of wealth. This can happen even in a society with no monetary system whatsoever. Perhaps the ancient Egyptians had no currency (I have no clue if they did or not) and perhaps the pyramids were "funded" by the shear force of a tyrannical pharaoh. Even in that case, there were likely years of famine, because too many workers were enslaved for pyramid building, and not enough for food production and flood control.

      What happened these last few decades was that our system of just rewards broke down. Rather than humans being paid in rough proportion to how hard or smartly they worked or how well their labors were leveraged with capital equipment, rather some Banksters and financiers and mortgage brokers and related financial service people got a whole lot of money from misrepresenting the actual worth of some financial paper (mortgages, swaps, derivatives, ...). A whole bunch of people worked really hard for little wealth and less job security in China, while another whole bunch of people provided various "services" to each other and speculated in various Ponzi schemes and accumulated (on paper at least, and in their McMansions) great wealth.

      Enormous corruption, apparently overpowering most of the worlds largest governments and banks, led to a system that was fatally unstable.

      We have a global financial, corporate, industrial, transportation and information society, but without a sound global ethical, legal or economic foundation.

      We really don't even seem to have a clue what such a global foundation would look like, nor how to obtain one. We humans are currently attending the School of Hard Knocks on that topic. Hopefully we graduate, rather than exterminate ourselves, in the process. However graduation may take a few centuries or millenia.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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      • #4
        Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

        I sense much truth in this article, but a critical error.

        The need for a more just and unifying ethos amongst all humans is clear. That we lack such at present is also manifestly clear. We further lack good global legal or economic systems that remain fair and resist corruption in perpetuity. A sound currency requires sound economic and legal systems. It further requires that people generally treat each other honestly, and can trust each other, on generally accepted terms, rendering swift justice to those who lie, cheat or steal.

        The problem with a currency created from debt, as opposed to one based on say gold, is not that interest is doomed. See my immediately preceeding post for my justification of that claim. The problem with a currency created from debt is that it is too easily corrupted.

        However, it is not clear to me that humanity, in its current ethically challenged condition, could handle any global currency in a long term stable, fair and just manner. Paper currencies created from indebtedness just enable great corruption and subsequent collapse to happen more efficiently ;).
        Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        • #5
          Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

          Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
          However any practical monetary system has enough currency in circulation that such a complete recall, in hard currency, of all present and future values, in one place at one time, is never attempted nor seriously desired.
          The recent flap over mark-to-market FASB rules reflects this confusion.

          There is a critical difference between the present value of some future sum given a presumed rate of interest, and the present liquidation value of a promise to pay that sum. Usually liquidation values of financial paper, aka fire sale values, are in contango to the present value, using time-value-money calculations, of the future value of that paper, due not to storage costs (which are essentially zero) but to whatever limits there are to the liquidity of the financial market in which that paper could trade at the present moment.
          Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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          • #6
            Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

            Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
            This is the first level of what has happened in the financial industry over the past decade. It is a huge transfer of wealth to the financial elite, to be funded by US taxpayers, foreign corporations and governments, and ultimately the foreign workers who subsidize US debt indirectly via the lower purchasing power of their wages. However, to see the current crisis as merely the result of a big con is to miss its true significance.
            If I was in business, made poor decisions, and my business started to fail, I would either lose that business, or I would have to use my personal resources in an attempt to save it. That's not happening to the financial elite. They are not only keeping the money earned in the past from poor decisions, they are also getting bonuses and their businesses are subsidized by taxpayers.

            This is inherently unfair.

            It won't take long for the People to understand what's going on, because:

            1) They are losing their jobs, homes, and the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed, which provides a great deal of motivation to look for those responsible for their plight.

            2) The internet now provides free, uncensored communication to a more-or-less educated populace.

            As long as people have their TV, burgers and beer, the financial elite have nothing to fear.
            But when people start losing their jobs and homes, and can't feed their children or afford to take them to the doctor, there will be consequences.

            IMO, the People will not be satisfied until:

            1) The financial elite are stripped of their ill-gotten gains . . . through confiscation of property, exhorbitant salaries and bonuses.

            2) Bankers and other investment establishments receive government controlled salaries, capped at $300,000 per year. If they don't like that, I'm sure there are plenty of intelligent people who would jump at such a salary, and these replacements certainly couldn't do any worse that the greedy gamblers now in place.

            3) Banks and Wall Street are completely restructured so that past excesses cannot happen again.

            4) Separation of government and finance. No going back and forth between industry jobs and political positions. Restrict corporate political donations to the individual limit times the number of employees in the corporation.

            Unemployed people have lots of time to surf the Net.
            The People will not be fooled by half-measures and lies -- their financial pain will ensure that they stay on the case until they believe justice is done.

            Less stable individuals in society may take justice into their own hands, and this will be a great motivator for the financial elite and government to satisfy the People's demands. The police and the armed forces, traditionally used by the PTB to control the People when they start acting uppity, will have family, friends and neighbors who are suffering financially. When push comes to shove, they will not take the side of the PTB. The PTB will realize that and conform to the People's will (kicking and screaming, of course), therefore, this whole transition to a new way of doing business will probably be peaceful, for the most part.

            As EJ said, we will be forced to "share" in the hard times . . . let's hope those responsible for the difficulties will share in proportion to their cupability.
            raja
            Boycott Big Banks • Vote Out Incumbents

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              Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

              Originally posted by raja View Post
              IMO, the People will not be satisfied until: ...
              You don't ask for much, do you ;)?

              In my view, the cancer of financial, legal, political and ideological corruption has reached deep into the most vital organs of Western Civilization.

              We may have to kill the patient to affect the cure :eek:.
              Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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              • #8
                Re: The Root of the Current Crisis is Credit Itself by Charles Eisenstein

                Originally posted by ThePythonicCow View Post
                There are artificial examples resembling the above which fail, because they have all the gold being returned, with interest, to a single "banker" on a single day, which of course cannot happen. However any practical monetary system has enough currency in circulation that such a complete recall, in hard currency, of all present and future values, in one place at one time, is never attempted nor seriously desired.
                Another such example postulates such a "single day" at the beginning -- suppose all the currency was handed out in one act, as loans, to be collected later with interest. Such a scenario requires growth in the monetary base.

                The problem is not usury, nor debt based money, nor fractional reserve banking, nor abandonment of a gold standard. The problem is constituting a currency for a large economy. Human civilization has found no long term stable way to accomplish this.

                If it's precious metal coins, the central banker will clip them (ancient Rome). If it's gold certificates, the banker will issue more than than is backed by gold in the vault (fractional reserve banking, or the United States under Bretton Woods). If it's "full faith and credit" of the central government, then more faith and credit will be extended than should be, as with the recent GNMA and FNMA GSE's and now even the "too big to fail" banks of the United States. If it's plain usury, subsequent inflation will be de rigueur. If it is privately issued, competing currencies, some will default or lose value.

                No matter how we try it, without a common underlying ethos, currency becomes corrupted. Can anyone think of a scheme that works on a large scale which cannot be corrupted? I cannot.

                Once economies scale past face to face interaction, with commonly agreed to and consensually imposed moral expectations, currencies break down.
                Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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