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    The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

    The present disorder in the financial markets and the cascading failures of financial institutions come as no surprise. Those who recognize the impossibility of perpetual exponential growth and who understand how compound interest is built into the global system of money and banking expect the continuation of periodic "bubbles" and "busts," each of increasing amplitude until the systems shakes itself apart.

    Engineers call this phenomenon, "positive feedback." Such a system cannot find equilibrium. Imagine a heating system in which the thermostat, sensing a rise in temperature, calls for more heat instead of less. Such is the nature of the debt-money system. The imposition of interest on the debt by which money is created, demands that more debt be created. Such is the debt imperative which gives rise to a growth imperative. Among other things, it prevents the emergence of a steady state economy.

    Is this the final round? Who can say? Can the system be saved yet one more time? Maybe.

    Under the central banking regime which has become all but universal in countries around the world, money has been politicized. The collusion between politicians and international bankers enables governments to extract wealth from the economy by deficit spending and banks to extract wealth by charging interest on money as they create it by making loans. These two parasitic elements take wealth away from productive members of society and lavish it on military adventures, international intrigues, wasteful boondoggles, and financial finaglers.

    When the system spins out of control what will come out of the chaos? It is impossible to predict but here are two strong possibilities. When the dollar collapses the financial and political elite class will certainly try to orchestrate a new global monetary regime based on the same old mechanisms for centralizing power and concentrating wealth in their own hands, seeking to complete the New (feudal) World Order which has been abuilding for the past three hundred years. Another possibility is the emergence of the kind of decentralized, democratic, and sustainable system we have been advocating for a long time.

    We had better get ready to seize the opportunity that accompanies this impending crisis.

    How? By organizing ourselves in our local communities and affinity groups to reclaim the credit commons, to create interest-free, non-dollar, non-bank exchange mechanisms and payment media. This is not as hard as it seems We already know how to do it. All it takes is organization and will.

    Back to the current crisis, we should consider the possible actions of America's creditors. According to Paul Joseph Watson & Yihan Dai, in and article in Prison Planet (http://prisonplanet.com/) dated Friday, September 19, 2008, "China Finance, China News and Chaobao Financial News, all state owned media outlets, slammed the Fed for taking action that will only make long term economic conditions worse and devalue the dollar by "creating money that does not exist which leads to the inflation of liquidity," a policy contrary to China's position as a holder of vast reserves of US dollars."

    Central banks have one true function, that is to manage the effects of the parasitic drain, to decide who will pay the price, who will feel the pain. They can either (1) restrict credit, thus causing recessions, bankruptcies and unemployment; or (2) they can expand credit and inflate the money supply by monetizing debts (either public or private) that are uncollectible.

    Given China's position as one of the United States' biggest creditors, it is in a powerful position to determine the outcome of the current and future financial crises. If they don't like the restructuring plan that the financial elite wants to put in place, they can kick over the table by dumping their dollar holdings and causing the value of the dollar to crash through the floor. Organized others acting in cooperation might do the same.

    "The king is dead, long live the king."


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    Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

    i'm sure hoping the decentralised sustainable model succeeds. not holding my breath but doing my best to help contribute to it without starving myself.

    Sapiens, are you the only founding father/contributor here on iTulip that openly wants the Central Banks to disappear?

    If I can understand that compound interest is unsustainable and being able to create it out of nothing is downright dangerous then I'm sure EJ and others do too. So why all the talk about adults getting on with the job in the status quo. I don't understand how someone can bitch and moan about the effects of a system they still seem to endorse, it'll never be run prudently by prime brains IMO, the system was designed for robbery and hence is unstable. if you endorse the system and you're adult then you get on with trying to rob instead of being robbed, if you don't endorse the system you try and change it. Therefore I'm not sure where EJ and the rest of the crew fit in here.

    I'm not trying to be rude and don't want to be kicked off this site I really just don't get it.

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    • #3
      Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

      Originally posted by marvenger View Post
      the system was designed for robbery and hence is unstable.
      You are correct.

      The fundamental issue is peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately in this world, the requirements of our fundamental constitution compels Man to desire gain without effort.

      In simpler words, the desire for the free lunch corrupts our soul.

      -Sapiens

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        Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

        Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
        You are correct.

        The fundamental issue is peaceful co-existence. Unfortunately in this world, the requirements of our fundamental constitution compels Man to desire gain without effort.

        In simpler words, the desire for the free lunch corrupts our soul.

        -Sapiens
        Speaking for yourself I assume, Sapiens. Personally I don't have a soul, and if whatever else "soul" might represent in humans, mine, I aver, is not corrupt.
        Jim 69 y/o

        "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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          Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

          Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
          [COLOR=black]if whatever else "soul" might represent in humans, mine, I aver, is not corrupt.
          That is not, and you cannot, judge for yourself....

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            Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

            Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
            That is not, and you cannot, judge for yourself....

            Sapiens, surely you abilities to convey ideas in English are greater than expressed in your quoted sentence.

            Are you suggesting from your vantage point of knowledge [Sapiens] that I cannot judge my own honesty? Please tell me what you are trying to convey.
            Jim 69 y/o

            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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              Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

              Jim,

              He's just saying that anyone who proclaims "I'm honest and modest" is almost certainly exaggerating at least one.

              Both are virtues which must be ascribed to you by other people.

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                Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                Jim,

                He's just saying that anyone who proclaims "I'm honest and modest" is almost certainly exaggerating at least one.

                Both are virtues which must be ascribed to you by other people.
                So you think you can speak for the inscrutable Sapiens? Seems risky to me.

                I totally disagree with your notion regarding honesty. I didn't see anything he wrote about people proclaiming anything about themselves. I avered I am not corrupt. I don't know where your modesty reference came from.

                Sapiens claimed people wanting something for nothing corrupts their souls. Actually there is NO one who can judge the honesty of another, just as no one can actually judge what another is thinking. Others can choose to make a judgement of the presence or absence of the appearance of honesty, and I am sure that instances of dishonesty can be proven. But only we ourselves know whether we are honest or not.
                Last edited by Jim Nickerson; September 21, 2008, 08:02 PM.
                Jim 69 y/o

                "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                • #9
                  Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                  Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                  In simpler words, the desire for the free lunch corrupts our soul.

                  -Sapiens
                  The way I see it it is normally obvious when someone is trying to get a free lunch, these people need others to create enough social momentum to justify it. This normally happens by the other people knowing they also stand to gain subtantially from the free lunch the people they are supporting are gathering.

                  So I think the role of government should be to prevent this kind of thing from happening and the only way to do it is to make sure those introducing and enforcing the regulation are paid a reasonable living wage with no hope of other perks and they do it because they think its the right thing to do. I actually think a substantial a part of the population would be willing to do this. any corruption not tolerated, out you go joe.

                  The crucial part is that the wages are set and no arguement about attracting better quality regulators is valid. You don't need to be einstein to spot a free lunch. Those hiring regulators are also paid this wage.

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                    Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                    Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                    Sapiens, surely you abilities to convey ideas in English are greater than expressed in your quoted sentence.

                    Are you suggesting from your vantage point of knowledge [Sapiens] that I cannot judge my own honesty? Please tell me what you are trying to convey.
                    Jim,

                    Certainly I could have crafted a better response, but why would I cast pearls before swine. The polemical record of your posts upon iTulip speaks for itself; therefore, I rather address more productive endeavors than engage you.

                    Peace be upon you,

                    -Sapiens

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                    • #11
                      Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                      Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
                      Jim,

                      Certainly I could have crafted a better response, but why would I cast pearls before swine. The polemical record of your posts upon iTulip speaks for itself; therefore, I rather address more productive endeavors than engage you.

                      Peace be upon you,

                      -Sapiens
                      Sap. you are one arrogant piece of crap if there ever was one. In my opinion you probably have contributed the least here of any frequent poster having to do with anyone gaining understanding of or making money in these markets. Your not infrequent addresses of anyone dumb enough to read your posts as "boys and girls" epitomizes the apparent high esteem in which you hold yourself and the lesser status of everyone else. I hope this is polemical enough for you.
                      Jim 69 y/o

                      "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                      Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                      Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                        Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        Jim,

                        He's just saying that anyone who proclaims "I'm honest and modest" is almost certainly exaggerating at least one.

                        Both are virtues which must be ascribed to you by other people.
                        Kind of like giving yourself a mysterious name that implies great knowledge, calling yourself a "Market Insider", then offering little other than riddles and conspiracy theories.

                        Let me be the first to say that of all contributors at iTulip, Jim Nickerson is both honest and modest. He posts exactly what he is invested in and readily admits his shortcomings. (I can see Jim's reply already: How do you know I'm honest, Jimmy? I could be full of shit!)

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                          Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                          Originally posted by jimmygu3 View Post
                          Kind of like giving yourself a mysterious name that implies great knowledge, calling yourself a "Market Insider", then offering little other than riddles and conspiracy theories.

                          Let me be the first to say that of all contributors at iTulip, Jim Nickerson is both honest and modest. He posts exactly what he is invested in and readily admits his shortcomings. (I can see Jim's reply already: How do you know I'm honest, Jimmy? I could be full of shit!)
                          Right, Jimmy, you don't know about my honesty, and I guess depending upon one's choice in ways of thinking, I may be full of shit. But to me there is nothing to be gained with riddles and obliqueness.
                          Jim 69 y/o

                          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                          Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                          Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                            Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                            Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                            Right, Jimmy, you don't know about my honesty, and I guess depending upon one's choice in ways of thinking, I may be full of shit. But to me there is nothing to be gained with riddles and obliqueness.
                            I think that over time it becomes quite obvious what everyone's personalities are like. You can try and hide a piece or two, but sometimes an empty space says more than the words themselves.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Thomas Greco: The Inevitable End of the Central Banking and Political Money Regime

                              Originally posted by Jim Nickerson
                              Actually there is NO one who can judge the honesty of another, just as no one can actually judge what another is thinking. Others can choose to make a judgement of the presence or absence of the appearance of honesty, and I am sure that instances of dishonesty can be proven. But only we ourselves know whether we are honest or not.
                              Jim,

                              As for only you yourself knowing your honesty - you are again assuming everyone has the same standards. They do not.

                              There are plenty of people for whom telling a lie to a foreigner/outsider/heretic is not dishonest.

                              You believe you are honest, and from your personality I'd guess you probably are.

                              Even disregarding the above, very few people are absolutely honest - because honesty itself has different meanings to different people.

                              Have you ever told a lie? a white lie? how about an exaggeration? A sin of omission? An over-emphasis on a certain point to illustrate your view? A deliberate ignorance? The list goes on and on.

                              While certainly any one person cannot accurately judge an individual, nevertheless it is not the individual judgement that is the key.

                              The sum of all those who know you can pretty accurately judge honesty.

                              Because lack of it, and knowledge of such, spreads throughout the population.

                              That's why con artists and grifters drift around. No matter how good an actor, it is impossible to completely conceal your actions over time and the circle of those around you.

                              From my view - I've never seen Sapiens try to sell me anything.

                              Nor does he try to convince. Or to paint himself to be anything.

                              In your view this is dishonest, but in my view there are plenty of reasons to NOT throw your name around the Internet.

                              But from his actions I judge his intentions: to help us learn.

                              I surely mistake at least some of his statements due to their opacity, but that doesn't condemn him as much as it illustrates my relative lack of depth.

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