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We all have been brought up with lies and these lies are imbedded into our everyday thought through images, pictures. These images cause us to react in certain ways. This video is to expose those images in your life to expose the lie that you may hold on to. Once the lie has been exposed and dealt with, they are no longer a stronghold in your life. Too often when in a situation we can’t see the remedy because of the images/lies that are imbedded into our thought life. The remedy is right there, but because of the lies, we can’t see it. This video is to help you to remove the image/lie so the remedy can be seen.
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Interesting video, not many people are exposed or privy to desensitizing techniques; this gentleman is on to something. -
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You do find some interesting stuff.Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
If you watch this through to the end, one of his main points is his belief that Jesus was impaled rather than crucified, and that the image of the cross is a pagan image used to control us. I read up a bit on the impalement vs. crucifixion debate. Impalement is apparently a doctrine of the Jehovah's Witnesses. There are arguments against that theory here:
http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/cross.htm
I must admit, his assertation that imagery and icons like the Easter Bunny program children for control by "The Man", (my phrase, not his), set me back a bit. I'd hate to think I was unwittingly preparing my two young ones for a life of darkness by playing along with the ideas of Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy. I've always thought a bit of magic and fantasy was good, clean fun.
Once, when my son was reading a lot of Dr. Seuss, I made Green Eggs and Ham for him with the help of some food coloring. Did I do him a disservice?
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Once, when my son was reading a lot of Dr. Seuss, I made Green Eggs and Ham for him with the help of some food coloring. Did I do him a disservice?
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Depends, was it soylent green?Comment
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[quote=Jay;49611][quote=Andreuccio;49608]
Once, when my son was reading a lot of Dr. Seuss, I made Green Eggs and Ham for him with the help of some food coloring. Did I do him a disservice?
Hey, just trying to get him ready for the new world order.Depends, was it soylent green?Comment
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Perhaps this will be of interest
http://forgetomori.com/2008/skeptici...ch-conformity/
Seems it is rather easy to do :-(Comment
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"Desensitizing techniques" eh?Originally posted by Sapiens View Post
I woke early on this Sunday morning and wasted the better part of an hour here watching the entire thing. With regard to the "programmed group-think" what I notice here is that Andreuccio, Jay and Shakespear all replied to this post in an engaged and serious manner, as though the documentary exposes ascertained or fundamental insights. There is your "groupthink".
The content is very superficial, peremptorily assertive, dumbed down, populist claptrap. Anyone who cannot discern that is ironically the one who is actually "falling under Sapiens' spell". :eek: What I observe here as the most common modus operandi and result - is that Sapiens posts something - and it could really be just about anything, with the common denominator being some combination of "mind control + secret orders + images employed as subversion & thought control or occulted emblems of secret repressive orders + symbology + numerology + proto-fascism manifest through occult clues + cabals of masters controlling consumerist sheep + blah blah blah" and it's dubious documentary quality is overlooked while it elicits instead multiple serious and engaged comments.
Does anyone stop to notice the startling similarity of all of Sapiens "expose's"?
They ALL deal narrowly within the range of topics listed above. This would tell even a moderately skeptical reader that Sapiens is caught up, indeed is "mesmerized" by his own "agenda", wherein the entire world is regarded through a slightly (or often markedly) paranoid tinge. Everything posted by Sapiens has a paranoiac overlay, with "mind control" in big red neon lettering right up at the top of the list. The "mind control" going on here that is most notable is the extraordinary suspension of disbelief among those who spend hours reading his universally, indeed, boringly ubiquitously, paranoid commentaries while responding seriously yet failing anywhere to ask Sapiens why all of his comments are colored by this world view. That is called "suspension of disbelief". There is your "suspension of critical faculties"
This stuff has been standard Sapiens fare on these pages for TWO WHOLE YEARS - on and on and on and on. And the really startling takeaway and supreme irony of his posting about "groupthink and mind control" is that a bit of populist porridge like this can be posted with Sapiens' commenting something like "Hmm, this is interesting, provocative and potentially very revealing" and other contributors here can actually be duped into sitting through the whole thing and commenting about it - some with enough seriousness to express genuine concern as to whether they are raising their children correctly as a consequence. You are genuinely worried that you may be "programming" your children by not debunking the tooth fairy, the easter bunny and father christmas? :rolleyes:
What part of "suspension of critical faculties" do you guys not recognize here? Are you not able to discern that much? My suggestion to Sapiens - keep posting things of this calibre with an "Hmm, this is really interesting" such that I'm duped into spending most of an hour watching it, and I guarantee I will not watch any of your more serious contributions. My suggestion to those listening into this particular "revelatory documentary on image control" - Hear the dumbed down, intellectually slack, uncritical, generic method of addressing these potential issues, the dumbed down populist pseudo-psychological carboard cutout characterizations, and use your own critical faculties to discern why it is rubbish.
It is your own critical faculties which are in suspension, for sitting through this and regarding it as potentially containing "profound insights".
You could sum the entire skit up with the term "distrust authority" and then if Sapiens wanted to provide some contribution of worth, look up some real psychiatric analyses of this cultural trait, rather than force people to sit through a populist documentary containing about one candle-power - that is just barely enough to convince the dumbest and least educated members of society.
I panned it. Thanks for another stand out contribution to your now voluminous library of material on iTulip on the subject of epidemic mind-control in the modern world. I'm profoundly grateful that I don't live in your world.Comment
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Lukester,
What's your problem? If you don't like what I am posting, why do you keep looking it up? No one here is forcing you or coercing to look up, read, watch or what-ever, anything I post. I have even gone so far as to spare you any inconvenience by telling you to ignore my posts. Use your volition, the power of your free will, and spare yourself any displeasure by sparing your attention from my posts man!
All I can conclude from your blabbering is that you are a masochist and glutton for pain.
Relax, take a 4:20 and be at peace.
Regards,
-SapiensComment
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Sapiens - I keep believing eventually I am going to find something of substance.
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Come on Luke, if you are going to get your panties bunched up at least pull your head out of your ass to do it. How "engaged" is the response, "Was it soylent green?" It was a joke bro and you are you blind or in severe silver shock if you didn't see it. Purely tongue in cheek my friend. And I can't speak for Andreuccio but my take is that he is joking too, how serious is "Once, when my son was reading a lot of Dr. Seuss, I made Green Eggs and Ham for him with the help of some food coloring. Did I do him a disservice?" That is great comedy in my book. You really can't see it? Did anyone take this Sapien's link seriously?!?! Come on, I think the speaker in the video dressed up as dwarf and played D&D afterwards (and I mean that in the nicest way for those fans out there.Originally posted by Lukester View Post)
And I happen to enjoy most of Sapien's stuff too. Some of his posts are cooky crap just like the above link, but they actually teach me a bit about what he thinks and believes. He has a view point and while I may reject some of it, there are many nuggets there too. Half the crap you post are overly verbose ramblings which are homing in on a perpetually moving target, but, yet, occasionally even you have something useful to say. Cheers.Comment
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Charming turn of phrase there Jay. Very stylish and intelligent "critique" on your part. Are you ehm, under the impression that I have addressed you in such terms, or is this your generally preferred form of address whenever you begin to feel "exasperated"? :pOriginally posted by Jay View Post
And I noticed your somewhat ambiguous endorsement of Sapiens video? Did you sit through it too? A wonderful exercise in patience, but it was rescued by a Sunday morning's leisurely schedule, wasn't it.Last edited by Contemptuous; September 29, 2008, 12:55 AM.Comment
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It is interesting, to say the least. Well, when one comes from a culture that is shaped differently and observes a video such as this, it is not the same as reaction as for people that are formed this way.
I have to admit, shaping of one's personality is based on symbols, as this video shows, but when the symbols are not truly universal, there is not the same reaction everywhere. Particularly for me or any without the Easter bunny image, it doesn't have a real meaning. For many without that conditioning and a culture that among other things eats rabbit, it could mean a cartoonish representation of a restaurant (I was thinking on a Mixiote upon that image).
Halloween for several cultures is not such, for some cultures the day of the death is a celebration of life through the memory of deceased loved ones, and the dead is an episode of a greater plan... tooth faerie is exchanged for the tooth mouse, in hispanic culture, but has the same connotation. The three wise men have the connotation of Santa Claus, but you have to work hard to get your present, instead of the cookies, you have to be making your duties and thoroughly clean your shoes, that you are going to leave next to the letter, as a show of your work commitment. Christ image depends on the interpretation of each particular church.
In catholic church, there is an abstinence period before easter, and easter in itself is a celebration of the core dogma of catholic church: The resuscitation of Jesus Christ. Authority figures are seen differently in several cultures.
Under Roman code, shared by most Latin world, there is a brief confrontation with judges, mostly all judicial processes are done by paperwork. Police or authority figures are not a source of confidence, due to past relationship.
Mostly, character conformation depends on the particular differences in each culture. The basis is the end result, It may well be an intended one in autocratic cultures, but mostly it is not intended. Is merely an extension of the same set of beliefs that the older members of such particular culture were confronted to. With some variations depending on particular cases , but mostly on the same trend. Objective, analytical and critical thinking may be the ideal, but unconsciously it is not as enforced as it should be, due to the voids in the education of the primary educators (those should be the parents).Last edited by ocelotl; October 05, 2008, 11:07 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by Jay View Post
Thank you.
After reading Lukester's post, I was going to ask if it was now mandatory to insert one of the smilies if I wanted to make a joke and wanted others to understand. You've restored my faith in the iTulip readership. (Smily intentionally left out, but would have been inserted here had their use been declared mandatory.)Comment
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Apologies to Jay and Andreuccio - ( from the guy who apparently had misplaced his head, which turned out to be up his arse ;) ). Head has been recovered and reattached to the proper geographical location! I did indeed miss the humor quotient there, which is a bad stumble for me as I do prize humor as an means of expressing something intelligent occasionally. Sapiens offers lots of interesting stuff also, and for all I know may indeed have some intel feeds that are far in advance of any intel the rest of us have. I have a hunch for instance we'll hear about an impending metals breakout first from him, when "the big one" occurs. Only some of these vids get to sounding a little naive or even silly (to this viewer anyway). As Ocelotl notes, the culturally programming "icons indoctrinated at an early age" thesis in this video displays a certain naievete' in that all you have to do is travel a bit and these apparently "heavily programming social symbols" instantly mean something completely different in dozens of other cultures, or even nothing at all. Even in Europe for instance, in societies with a lot of cultural similarities to the US, this thesis degrades rapidly due to cultural differences.
Now Ive been gracious despite being told I have my head up my arse, which suggests I generally keep a relaxed attitude to percieved personal affront. Maybe you guys could take a leaf out of that same book?
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