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**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:01 PM

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There is no such thing as a non capitalist system...Money has nothing to do with capitalism...Every Human born is capitalistic all life is capitalistic...The is no escape from capitalism...except non existance...

Intelligent life has two choices...Absolute Capitalism employing self indulgent reason or Responsible Capitalism employing Altruistic logic...

Absolute Capitalists believe that the needs of the one or few outweigh the needs of the many...

Responsible Capitalists believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or one...

But that is socialism! So the you belive in the needs of the one or few outweighing the needs of the many...You believe the King or Queen�s needs outweigh the needs of the subjects...You believe the needs of the political Hierarchy in any political system outweighs the needs of the governed population...You believe lies are superior to truth...

The only need that exists in the Universe is the truth
The basis and creation of LAWS is the gift of Responsible Capitalists...Civilization is the creation of responsible capitalists...

The only law that exists in the Universe is the truth

Absolute capitalists believe in the ends justifying the means and interpret law as you can do whatever you want as long as you don�t get caught breaking the LAW...Or how a Criminal individual and or an Animal thinks...

Responsible capitalists believe that the ends don�t justify the means because they believe breaking the LAW is wrong reguardless if you think you can get away with it or not get caught...Or how a civilized individual thinks...

All the bad or Negative effects that have happened in the recorded history of humanity can be blamed on Absolute Capitalists and all the good or Positive effects that have happened in the recorded history of humanity can be blamed on Responsible capitalists...

The Gold market like all commodities markets are fractionally reserved paper markets, so the vast majority is at the mercy of a handful of paper speculators...Gold and silver is an especially paper speculative market...If the contracts for gold and silver were actually demanded delivery on there is not enough gold and silver to back them up...

Just as the Commercial Banks are all insolvent if everyone that had a deposit demanded delivery...

In the US banking system the Fractional reserve is 3%...most people think that means for every $3 on deposit that 97 dollars is out on loan...in reality for every $1 on deposit the commercial bank can create out of thin air with compound interest attached $34 to lend out at the request of consumers... Banks are just legalized frauds...

Central Banks like the FEDERAL RESERVE are able to create any amount of money (Debt) out of thin air with compound interest attached with zero backing at the request of consumers which are mostly commercial banks and Governments...Banks have an infinite ability to create debt out of thin air but consumers have a finite ability to request it�s creation...

Debt inflation has a maximum potential...once consumer devote 100% of their previously created debt leverage to the creation of new debt leverage the leveraging of leverage ponzi collapses because the only way to service previously created debt in a debt backed by debt system is with new debt creation...once new debt creation slows or stops there is no way to service previously created debt and the system implodes or begins working in reverse...

�The process by which banks create money is so simple that the mind is repelled.� - John Kenneth Galbraith

The Gold and silver markets are the most manipulated the energy and food markets are next...The US stockmarkets are also highly manipulated...They are just massive paper ponzi schemes...Liquidity is maintained by the creation of short term money (Debt) out of thin air in the required amounts, Debt inflation, to overpower the ever present forces of debt deflation...Crashes happen when liquidity creation is overwhelmed by debt deflationary pressure...New debt must always be created in the required amounts or the system crashes...

The stock and commodity markets are nothing more than riverboater�s Paradises... Casinos...Basicaly the current civilization is totally hopelessly dependant on gambling...You exchange money which is actually debt for a stock which is basicly just a worthless piece of paper and it�s value is just a figment of everyones imagination...

There is no money in the stockmarket it is just an elaborate and complex accounting illusion...

Mutual funds? Just more worthless paper...

Lets say that there are 1,000,000 stocks worth $1 each and one stock is offered for sale and is then bid up to be worth $2

Now $1,000,000 worth of stocks become worth $2,000,000...what if 1 stock is sold for 10 cents? now 1,000,000 stocks are worth $100,000

The stockmarkets have zero value, stocks are just poker chips which idiots bid up in price is all...Banks allow stocks which are worthless to be used a leverage for the creation of new debt...so if your $1 stock rises to $2 you can use it as collateral for the creation of $2 to now riverboat the market with $4...

Property...Supply and demand does play a part in all things...

But it does not matter how much demand there is for an item if the money (Debt) does not exist to support price...

The UK and US housing markets are just debt inflated ponzi schemes is all the technical term is mortgage backed security bubble, just another riverboater casino scam...as long as the debt can be created in the required amounts to support the price then the price will rise...Anyone that has bought property in the last 5 years with low down payments will be the first to be wiped out...

In the US the average home has 50% equity...a 40% cut in equity will wipe out the 2 trillion dollar US real estate market...

The whole world is not based on reality to think so is a serious error...It is based on a debt inflationary ponzi fantasy...Leverage backing leverage...absolute self indulgent reason...

It is a 100% certainty and it does not matter if the most malevolent person or group or the most benevolent person or group administrates a debt backed by debt fractional reserve system it will always implode...the system is designed to do one thing and one thing only...Inflate debt to it�s maximum potential then it implodes...That is all it can do...

That is the truth and you can use the, I won�t believe it until I see it argument all you want...The fact is unless you vanish off the face of the Earth sometime soon you will see it and believe it...

This fact has been known about for 1000�s of years it is no secret...except to the 100�s of millions of victims who seem to have not recieved any formal education from the owners of the system on it�s rudimentery mechanics...

And when informed of it�s rudimentery mechanics believe it to be a science fiction fairy tale babbled by a nutcase...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - FREDERIC BASTIAT, THE LAW

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:02 PM

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Logic is truth and Reason is lies...

Good Evil
Courage Fear
Reality Fantasy
Positive Negative
true False
1 or zero
Infinite Finite
Space time
Indestructible fragile
Salvation Damnation
Impossible possible
Life Death
Construction destruction
Altruistic Self indulgent

Reason is used to discount logic

Lies depend on truth for existance

Infinity has no beginning and no end...at what point in infinity are we at now?

Everything is based on logic and there is no escape from it since it is infinite...it has no beginning and no end...Those who worship reason self delude themselves into thinking it is possible to escape the infinite and indestructible tyranny of truth

The war against the tyranny of truth can never be won...Unless you think you can destroy what can not be destroyed...

I have no specail powers to save anyone you have free will and it is up to you...

From a post above...we have fallen into the grasping at straws stage...

"one way that the system can avoid implosion is by deliberately releasing inflation into the system. Inflation has the effect of robbing deposit holders and giving this money to debt holders. This has the effect of reducing the debt imbalance in the system by reducing debt as a proportion of income. This has happened on a couple of occasions in 1974 and in the UK in the early 90�s. There is some dislocation, but no implosion, the pressure of debt is released. Inflation is brought back under control - usually at the cost of unemployment - and the next phase of new debt creation kicks in.)

Now we are one again running from the tyranny of truth and into the loving and comforting embrace of the Tyranny of lies...self delusion...

The above "cure" has been in operation in the US since about 1958...

Talk of printing press salvation fariy tales is just more propaganda...Oh my God we are going to implode...no we are not because we have a printing press...

I�ve already gone through these debates for the past 2 years...If I sound like an Asshole it is because I spend hours every day burning off brain cells thinking of how a collapse can not happen...

More eye bleeding reading which you will soon forget but it is something to do I guess if you feel up to it...

The psychology bubble is the biggest bubble�A key indicator of the health of the economy is the DOW and NASDAQ�Not to you and me but to Joe Q public�

If the logic of the second half recovery is to be maintained then at the very least the previous lows can not be broken�ever again� as far as quick fixes go that is possible but long term under current conditions that will be impossible�

But Hyper�Hyperinflation will ignite with low interest rates�

The only way to ignite and maintain hyperinflation is by printing cash and distributing it in massive quantities�That is not how this system currently works�

The floating exchange rate debt backed by debt fractional reserve system has a maximum potential to inflate debt�

The previous system�the Bretton Woods Gold backed fractional reserve system also had a maximum potential�Gold was pegged at $35 an ounce so under the previous system as long as the FED had an ounce of gold for every $35 redeemed by whomever decided that they wanted to convert dollars into Gold then debt could keep expanding�

In the early 60�s the system began to collapse and the US government/Federal reserve closed the gold window in 1971 when they ran out of gold to back the debt inflation�

The new system, The floating exchange rate debt backed by debt fractional reserve system allowed further expansion of the debt supply by replacing the gold backing of the dollar with the dollar backing of the dollar�Debt backed by debt�

Now on to the maximum potential of the new system�

Since previously created debt is used as a basis for the creation of new debt the following are true logical statements whether you think so or not or can comprehend them or not�

Debt is money�when you borrow money from a financial institution it is created out of thin air with compound interest attached�Currently the reserve requirement for US banks is 3% which means for every $100 a bank has on deposit they can create out of thin air with compound interest attached $3,400 to lend out�The Commercial banks can borrow liquidity from the FEDERAL RESERVE to expand their fractional reserve, so basically the Banks have an unlimited amount of money which is debt created out of thin air with compound interest attached to lend out�

The FED�s estimate of currency in circulation is $700 Billion which is the true fractional reserve and the total debt supply in circulation is $33-$34 Trillion

3% of the money supply of the US is actual currency and 97% is debt created out of thin air with compound interest attached�The evidence for how fractional reserve banking works is right in front of your eyes if you know what to look for�

Current consumer income is composed mostly of previously created debt and future income is composed mostly of new debt creation�

Fractional reserve debt inflation is sustained by creating more new debt than previously created debt� on paper to maintain debt inflation new debt created out of thin air with compound interest attached must at least be equal to the previously created debt created out of thin air with compound interest attached�

But people are the consumers of debt so ultimately there is no way to perfectly run or distribute debt you poke prod and entice consumers to consume and at the end of the day you hope it is enough to maintain debt inflation�

In business operating expenses are composed mostly of previously created debt and profits are composed mostly of newly created debt�

Just incase it was over your head, Debt is created out of thin air with compound interest attached and makes up 97% of the money supply

Cash makes up 3% of the money supply and it�s purchasing power is destroyed by debt inflation�If you save �cash� dollars in a shoebox under your bed in a debt inflationary environment they become worth less over time�

The 3% is just debt also there is nothing backing it except the figment of people�s imaginations

Two factors which cause self sustaining debt inflation�

1. The only way to truly pay or service compound interest which is not created out of thin air but attached to created out of thin air debt is by creating enough new debt out of thin air with compound interest attached to pay or service the compound interest attached on the previously created out of thin air debt with compound interest attached�

2. Debt = money and if it is inflating then the debt/money supply is inflating which leads to price inflation (Deflation of purching power) which means that in order to afford to consume a product or service you must continually increase the amount of debt created to account for the rise in price which leads to even greater debt creation the next time and so on�

But is their a maximum potential for debt inflation in a debt backed by debt system�

Yes

Since current debt consumer income is previously created debt and is used as the basis for new debt creation which is future income then on paper once the maximum amount of current income is used to service the payment on the creation of future income no further future income can be created or future income creation becomes less than current income�

Present income is what future income becomes once it flows through the system and if the ability to create more future income is reached then present income which is the basis for future income creation has to shrink or cease to exist altogether�

The simplest sign that debt inflation is self sustaining is employment is rising or sustained and prices across the spectrum are rising�the simplest sign that debt inflation is not self sustaining is rising or sustained unemployment and prices of wants such as computers and autos are either not rising or dropping and commodities such as food, energy, and some metals are rising�

Is debt inflation presently working? The answer is yes�
Is debt inflation presently self sustaining? The answer is no�

What are interest rates? Interest rates are profit derived from money or debt lent out whether it is actual cash or debt created out of thin air�

There really is not a problem with lending/renting out cash�But when you charge rent on something created out of thin air you are in fact manufacturing a product for consumer consumption�

The number 1 product manufactured in the USA for consumer consumption is debt and it�s main selling feature or sales gimmick is �It makes your dreams come true� better yet it is the key product which is needed to make �the American dream� a reality�

Since debt is a product interest rates are the cost of purchasing that product�the debt itself is your future income but the interest attached is the profit derived from it�s creation� the creation of the debt itself is wholesale the attachment of interest and the signing of the contract agreeing to pay it back plus the attached interest in a certain time span by the consumer is the retail operation�

When a consumer uses their current income to borrow future income they are in fact creating their future income into existence�

Since interest rates are the profit of the created out of thin air product called debt which is the key component in the realization of the American dream by the banks then the cost of the American dream to the consumer is interest rates�

Banks are just accountants who have the ability to lend or create the future income of the consumer who will then use that future income to service the rent/interest charge on their idea of what the American dream is currently...for profit�

In order for banks to maintain a profit then the product called debt must keep inflating or volume must keep increasing�

In order to maintain product volume the cost of the product must also keep dropping�

In order for the debt inflation experienced for the past 23 years to be sustained the volume of debt must be maintained and that was done for the past 23 years by the systematic lowering of interest rates and easing restrictions on debt creation whenever volume appeared to be on the verge of dropping or was dropping�

But Banks and financial institutions are not non profit organizations the cost of production can not be more than the profit so frontline interest rates such as prime can only drop so low�once rates are as low as they can go and volume begins to dry up then the banks are forced to maintain profits by raising interest rates�on less volume

But that would cause a further drop in demand�and rates would have to be raised further�

Rates can not drop below zero and most rates can not go to zero and rising rates cause volume to dry up�

So the mechanics of debt inflation for the past 23 years of systematically lowering interest rates to maintain and expand debt volume to sustain profitability for the banks and maintain self sustaining debt inflation which is the primary fuel of economic growth is almost at an end� and will become apparent in a very short period of time�

If you can not lower interest rates or the price of a product to produce profit then you have to raise the price to maintain profits on lower volume�

But the product which currently exists is used as collateral for the creation of more product and if the volume drops then future volume will have to drop�

It is called a �recession� when the volume of debt creation slows to the point that debt inflation is not self sustaining and if the problem of declining volume is not solved then it is only a matter of time before the point of no return is reached where the debt deflationary forces are to great to overcome�

For the past 23 years interest rates have been systematically lowered to produce the required amount of self sustaining debt inflation needed to keep the banks solvent and the economy growing�Basically lower low and lower highs�

But 0 interest rates or as low as interest rates can go to produce a profit is the bottom line�If you produce a product and the profit eventually is reduced to zero to maintain volume and volume continues to dry up then the jig is up because if it costs more to produce a product than the return or profit from that product then the company will soon run out of resources to produce it�

Debt is a special product that consumers can not do without, since debt is money and the demand for money is without end, so if profit can not be maintained by volume then the price or interest rate has to rise�

The Facts of a debt backed by debt system

Debt makes up 97% of the money supply

Debt is created out of thin air by the banks with compound interest attached

Previously created out of thin air debt by the banks with compound interest attached is used as collateral for the creation of new debt created out of thin air with compound interest attached by the banks�

The only way to sustain debt inflation is with greater debt inflation.

The only way to increase debt inflation is by increasing volume and the only way to increase volume is by lowering the cost or interest rate to allow/create the conditions needed for more debt consumption. Then using the fulfillment of the American dream as a marketing tool to entice the maximum amount of consumers to request the banks create enough debt to satisfy the consumer demand�

Once the maximum amount of previously created debt is devoted to servicing the cost to maintain the creation of new debt then the maximum potential of debt inflation is reached and if the cost or interest rates can not be lowered to a point that allows the production of the required amount of debt inflation to cause a self sustaining chain reaction then there is no �current� way to maintain debt inflation�Debt inflation will falter and transform into unstoppable debt deflation�

Now a deeper look into the psychological bubble or the just think positive infinite inflation religion.

Basic marketing is used to convince the maximum amount of consumers that a given action is wrong and if you do it you are a loser but if you instead take our advice you will be doing what is right and will surely be hailed as a winner by your friends and family�

The weakest and simplest in society become the leaders of the pack and peer pressure soon causes even the mighty to fall for fear of being left out or left behind.

The �current� purpose of marketing is to convince people that think they are on the right path to begin following the wrong path� currently non stop mindless consumption is what is being marketed and the only way that can be accomplished is by massive consumer consumption of debt�

Second hand cars are for losers and lower forms of life� renters or previously constructed home owners are losers and lower forms of life� Only by buying the newest and biggest home can you even think of considering yourself a part of legitimate society�

Clothes without holes but out of date are not fit for an animal to lay on let alone for a member of society to wander around in public dressed in�

A 27 inch TV for family viewing is for welfare bums�

A computer under 2 Ghz is a total disgrace�

And so on and so forth�

The very act of saving has been reduced or transformed into consumption at a lower price then last week or raising the price by 10% and then saying it is for sale and seeing how many suckers can be fooled into thinking they are actually saving money...

For the marketing to be effective you need massive debt consumption or debt inflation and the just think positive infinite inflation religion to dispel any fear that it will ever come to an end�

If debt inflation ends then it is only a matter of time until the just think positive infinite inflation religion collapses� and if the just think positive infinite inflation religion collapses it is only a matter of time before debt inflation ends�

Or the thought of the good old days ending will end the good old days and if the good old days end the thought of the good old days will end�

The psychological bubble must be maintained at all costs or it doesn�t matter what monetary actions are taken to produce self sustaining debt inflation because the blind faith needed to reach inflationary goals will just not exist�

The truth is that the current system is almost finished and any consumer that signs on the dotted line to agree to service long term debt which is dependant on debt inflation will default and/wiped out�If the psychological bubble based on the just think positive infinite inflation religion were to pop consumers would stop signing on the dotted line and create a self fulfilling prophecy�

All the talk of unconventional measures and printing press tricks are just that�TALK to add strength or legitimacy to blind faith in the just think positive infinite inflation religion.

If the FED were to actually inform the public that the jig was up and that the floating exchange rate debt backed by debt fractional reserve system was in it�s terminal phase

The jig would be up�

If an asteroid big enough to wipe out civilization was discovered too late do you think they would come on TV and announce that the world as we know it was going to end next month? Don�t be so stupid.

But we can see the end of the system so what has to be done? Well not a crash program to mount a 1 Gigaton bomb onto a rocket that is for sure�

The only way to stop the debt deflationary asteroid from impacting the financial system and economy is to hit it with a greater force of debt inflation� and for the past 23 years interest rates have been systematically cut on average of 83 basis points a year to provide the blast of liquidity or debt inflation to keep debt deflation at bay�

So in order to continue much farther financially and economically the United States of America must keep dropping interest rates on average around 83 basis points a year�

But here�s the problem�to drop interest rates past zero is impossible, any economist that has not recently suffered a shotgun lobotomy knows that it is impossible to maintain debt inflation or keep banks solvent with negative interest rates�There has never been a bank in the recorded history of banking which advertised negative rates�Banks are in the biz to make profit and 0 or negative rates = 0 or negative profits�

So the problem is �how do we drop rates past zero to support debt inflation� and the answer is �You can�t�it�s impossible�

Not quite�

There is a final system that could be used to solve that problem�

In a debt backed by debt system the only times that a printing press has to be used to print a dollar is�

1. When a previously printed dollar becomes warn out

or

2. If consumers demand/request more paper dollars than currently exists in a bank�s vault�

That�s it kids the Fed is not printing dollars�It is a debt backed by debt system and the fed has an almost unlimited potential as the bankers bank or lender of last resort to create debt and lend it to commercial banks who in turn fractionally reserve it 34 to 1 and find enough consumers willing to sign on the dotted line to consume the newly created $34�

Talk of dollars coming home to roost is BS the dollars of debt created begin roosting the second they are created out of thin air...There are not house sized bails of money collecting dust in foreign Cantral bank vaults...

The FED pumps debt into the system�asset and to a certain degree commodity price inflation is a result of debt inflation created by the FED and commercial banks at the request of the consumers for their consumption to live or at least service the cost of the inflationary American dream�

The FED is not printing money� sorry��The Bernanke Printing press address� was aimed at a specific group of cowering simpletons who needed to be assured that the debt inflation that they are addicted to was never going to end to prevent them from shitting their pants and the thought of a printing press printing forever put their fears to rest�

The printing press trick has existed since paper and ink were combined to produce cash�

It is nothing new just the regulation method has changed from a specified amount of gold backing debt to a debt backing of debt�Both systems stop producing debt inflation if consumer demand for debt is not greater than the previously created debt but the gold backed system was limited by the supply of gold so the system had 2 maximum potentials either the US ran out of gold or it would run out of consumers able to sign on the dotted line in great enough numbers� when the US went off the gold standard in 71 it eliminated a roadblock or a potential limit to maximum debt inflation to allow debt to continue being inflated past the point where it ran out of gold�

There is an invention called the printing press alright and has existed since any of us were born it is nothing new and in fact the �Hyperinflationary system� which I alluded to before has been tried before�with predictable results�

Germany...

Dates
Feb 1920 to May 1921 Internal Prices 4.6%
May 1921 to July 1922 Internal Prices 634.6%
July 1922 to June 1923 Internal Prices 18094%
July 1923 to Nov 20 1923 Internal Prices 854,000,000,000%

Prices were rising by the Hour when they shut the presses off and in the debt deflationary implosion that followed mass starvation and brutal repression followed...

Salvation did not last long...

And in Germany the people who owed the Debt (the Government) also controlled the printing press...In the US the people that owe the debt do not control the printing press...so unless the counterfiting laws are repealed and consumers are allowed to ink jet their debt away there is no effective hyperinflationary distribution method existing in the US.

In a gold backed system maximum debt inflation is pegged to the convertibility of debt for gold and also the ability for consumers to service greater amounts of new debt using previous debt creation as collateral�

In a debt backed system maximum debt inflation is pegged solely to the ability for consumers to service greater amounts of new debt using previous debt creation as collateral�

In a Hyperinflationary system maximum debt inflation is pegged to the printing press and an "effective distribution method" plus the computational abilities of the society�

All fractional reserve banking is inflationary or to be accurate �Inflate debt at all costs or die�

When the inflate debt at all costs or die basic mechanics reached the gold limit then the debt backing debt limit was introduced�when that limit is reached then a hyperdeflationary implosion will result or you can/could base debt inflation on the printing and "effective distribution" of non debt backed currency to buy more time�

Ultimately that is the purpose of maintaining debt inflation� to buy more time, more time for what? Who knows except the culprits�

How much time can a hyperinflationary system buy? On paper as long as the printing presses can keep printing or to be more accurate�as long as greater and greater amounts of non backed by debt �money� can be effectively distributed quicker and quicker for free to sustain debt inflation which leads to price inflation there is no real limit�except the human being consumer themselves�at the start of hyperinflation it is slow but the exponential nature of attaching the inflate debt at all costs or die debt backed by debt system to a non debt backed source as it�s limit for the maximum potential you then have effectively removed the limits to price inflation or interest rates�except the ability for human being consumers to compute or account for it� eventually the system hyperinflates to the point that it takes longer to figure out how much something costs then the price is rising�

How long does this process take? Not very long� maybe a few months until the most powerful supercomputers on the planet can�t keep up

The bad aspect of instituting a hyperinflationary system is that the paper trail leads directly back to the culprits so it is not the perfect crime�Only if someone has a death wish do they actually chose to back a hyperinflationary system�

When the current system collapses the culprits will stay hidden because the cause of debt inflation is consumer consumption of debt and you will never be able to prove in a court of law that the FED or the Government or the Commercial banks forced consumers to consume debt� When the current system collapses the losers will get the blame� they always do� when you are bankrupted you are a loser and the winners don�t care if your excuse is because the maximum potential for debt inflation was reached so there is not enough new debt being created to allow my job to exist anymore�They will just laugh as they violently shake you by the ankles over a wheelbarrow.

If you think debt inflation can last forever then you had better be prepared to lose that bet�

Talk of printing presses and a rerun of the 1970�s inflation are the grasping at straws of desperate people in denial of the fact that blind faith in the just think positive inflation forever religion will not provide the justification for your actions or salvation from them�

The Debt inflationary messiah of the just think positive cult will be revealed to be a False profit...

You want to run with the herd? Then you risk running off the cliff to be harvested to sustain those higher in the economic food chain�

Those who are owed debt are the shakers and those who owe are the shakees.

In order to service debt, New debt inflation must be greater than or equal to previous debt inflation if it should stop or slow for any reason due to either the inability for consumers to borrow more or the refusal for consumers to borrow more�Debt will deflate and be unstoppable�

You can either play your part by leveraging yourself to the hilt or reducing and eliminating your debt consumption�the inability for interest rates to be lowered forever to produce unlimited debt inflation will be reached one way or the other and when that day arrives debt deflation will be totally unstoppable and the $34 trillion debt supply will begin to vaporize at a rapid rate�

If this is too scary to deal with�then just walk to the nearest T.V., turn it on and you will soon forget about such horrible concepts and be mesmerized to contented docile sleep yet again�and again and again forever and ever AMEN.

Stages of a debt backed by debt fractional reserve system...

1.Inflation of debt and the destruction of savings...

This process started between 1958 to 61 and will end sometime in 2004 to 2005

2. Deflation of debt and the destruction of equity

Sometime in 2004 to 2005 this will start and be unstoppable leading to a hyperdeflationary implosion of debt...

3. Bankruptcy of the banks, collapse of the economy, and consolidation of power

2006 is where the Great Depression II will reign supreme...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:03 PM

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Maybe I should just start predicting where this thread is going...Since I�ve seen this before...It is like an instant replay...

Like I said I studied the Fractional reserve system for 10 years and I knew how it worked for 8...It was not until 2 years ago that I actually comprehended it...

I�ve already heard the fairy tale about the negative interest rates...

Rates can go to zero or as low as they can go...You actually want me to believe that they will have negative mortgage rates? Where the bank pays you to live in a house?

It is delusional...I�ve already wasted enough time...I don�t get paid for this...it is up to you to comprehend it...No one made me comprehend anything...after 8 years I accepted the truth...You don�t want to or can�t at this time...I already stated that only you can save you...

The system is already collapsing unfortunately... It is in progress...This is what it looks like...But until the grim realities (The truth which you are having difficulty accepting)become blindingly self evident then you will believe nothing...

As I�ve stated earlier due to your employment of self indulgent reason to arrive at conclusions...truth which reason dictates as negative is eliminated from the equation when you have been corrupted by the just think positive religion...

Just self delusion...Grasping at straws, Don�t feel bad 100�s of millions are in the same boat...

What are you waiting for front page headlines?

A documentery? a National Geographic special?

The Absolute capitalists own and control everything...

Don�t worry the most optimistic scenario for how long is left remaining in the good old days is late 2005 Then there will be no way to escape doom and gloom...at that point you will be forced to see the truth...everyone will.

I have found that everyone is desperately searching for something they don�t want to ever find...

I sometimes wish I never found it...

I�m afraid to say it is worse then you currently are able to comprehend...

Doom and gloom? I haven�t even scratched the surface yet.

This is the mickey mouse basic mechanics stage...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:04 PM

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Someone told me about this thread...

The IMF targets countries for take over and attacks them economically...then gets the governments to sign their souls away to be saved...The US Treasury owns 51% of the IMF...

It is not about they own everything and it is in their best interests to perpetuate the system forever...The system is, due to it's design, doomed to collapse...There is nothing anybody on the planet can do about it...

The Fractional reserve system is the key to the absolute capitalists power and control...All they have to do to maintain power and control is to keep this fact hidden...

When the collapse takes place as long as the fractional reserve system is not blamed as the cause then whatever actions taken by the Absolute capitalists will be considered a success...

The ends justify the means...If elimination of 90% of the Planet's population is what it will take then that is what they will do...They are capable of anything...they consider themselves to be above all law...as long as they don't get caught...

You have to realize absolute capitalists don't think like you...They have no need to try to...We are their playthings...We are lower forms of life to them...

You need to eat so you become a farmer...an absolute capitalist will just kill the farmer and consume then move to the next victim...They will continue to do this until they run out of farmers and starve to death or the Farmers as a group band together and hunt them down and cage or kill them...

Fractional reserve banking just allows the Absolute capitalists to hire lackys to do the dirty work for them...

In a collapse scenario the FEDERAL RESERVE has an unlimited ability to create credit...The Government will spend it to maintain order...It can pay soldiers to confiscate food to feed soldiers to round up starving people...and hunt opposition...enforce taxes to pay for soldiers to enforce taxes

The great Depression started in 1929...It ended in 1945 after the reduction to rubble of most of Europe the wasting of Japan and the death of 100 million people...

Now add Nuclear weapons into the equation...What happend to the Absolute capitalists running ROME? they got caught...they self destructed...

I see all sorts of people talking about the new world order like it's a done deal...It all looks good on paper...But the grim realities which have to be seen to be believed start to show up the closer we get to the ultimate ends...

The truth becomes blindingly self evident and even the highly corrupted responsible capitalist lackys come to the conclusion that the New World order sales pitch is a pile of hogwash...All the various groups working together in common interest fracture once they realize that they will have to commit suicide for the cause...That was never mentioned in the sales pitch...

You can already see the various factions splintering/imploding right now...

Delusions of Grandeur always end in self destruction...

All that is taking place and will take place is based on reason...Logic is taken out back and shot...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:07 PM

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The last stage but one of every civilisation, is characterised by the forced political unification of its constituent parts, into a single greater whole.--Arnold J. Toynbee

"We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years."

"It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -- David Rockefeller

The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

The American people should be made aware of the trend toward monopolization of the great public information vehicles and the concentration of more and more power over public opinion in fewer and fewer hands. --Spiro T Agnew

From the days of Sparticus, Weishophf, Karl Marx, Trotski, Belacoon, Rosa Luxenburg, and Ema Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th Century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.--Winston Churchill

The real rulers in Washington are invisible and exercise power from behind the scenes--Justice Felix Frankfurter

The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses generally referred to as 'international bankers.' This little coterie... run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen...[and] seizes...our executive officers... legislative bodies... schools... courts... newspapers and every agency created for the public protection.--John F. Hylan

The Seven Deadly Sins of the Press: - Concentrated Power of the Big Press. - Passing of competition and the coming of monopoly. - Governmental control of the press. - Timidity, especially in the face of group and corporate pressures. - Big Business mentality. - Clannishness among the newspaper publishers that has prevented them from criticizing each other. - Social blindness.--Max Lerner

[T]he State's criminality is nothing new and nothing to be wondered at. It began when the first predatory group of men clustered together and formed the State, and it will continue as long as the State exists in the world, because the State is fundamentally an anti-social institution, fundamentally criminal. The idea that the State originated to serve any kind of social purpose is completely unhistorical. It originated in conquest and confiscation--that is to say, in crime. It originated for the purpose of maintaining the division of society into an owning-and-exploiting class and a propertyless dependent class--that is, for a criminal purpose. No State known to history originated in any other manner, or for any other purpose. Like all predatory or parasitic institutions, its first instinct is that of self-preservation. All its enterprises are directed first towards preserving its own life, and, second, towards increasing its own power and enlarging the scope of its own activity. For the sake of this it will, and regularly does, commit any crime which circumstances make expedient.

Many now believe that with the rise of the totalitarian State the world has entered upon a new era of barbarism. It has not. The totalitarian State is only the State; the kind of thing it does is only what the State has always done with unfailing regularity, if it had the power to do it, wherever and whenever its own aggrandizement made that kind of thing expedient. Give any State like power hereafter, and put it in like circumstances, and it will do precisely the same kind of thing. The State will unfailingly aggrandize itself, if only it has the power, first at the expense of its own citizens, and then at the expense of anyone else in sight. It has always done so, and always will.

Here is the Golden Rule of sound citizenship, the first and greatest lesson in the study of politics: You get the same order of criminality from any State to which you give power to exercise it; and whatever power you give the State to do things FOR you carries with it the equivalent power to do things TO you. --Albert Jay Nock

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**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:08 PM

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There is only the two choices of intelligent lifeforms...An as Humans we claim to be Intelligent...

Responsible capitalism using altruistic logic and Absolute capitalism using self indulgent reason...

That is where any conspiracy begins and ends...

Absolute Capitalists believe that the needs of the one or few outweigh the needs of the many...

Responsible Capitalists believe that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or one...

Absolute capitalists believe in the ends justifying the means and interpret law as you can do whatever you want as long as you don�t get caught breaking the LAW...Or how a Criminal individual and or an Animal thinks...

Responsible capitalists believe that the ends don�t justify the means because they believe breaking the LAW is wrong reguardless if you think you can get away with it or not get caught...Or how a civilized individual thinks...

This thread had degenerated because it has become a battle between responsible capitalists which believe that a collapse will happen without having to see it happen to believe it will happen...

And Absolute capitalists who don�t believe a collapse will happen unless it does, then they will believe...

Ultimately until the collapse happens no one will believe it...since the vast majority have been corrupted...

The longer a Responsible capitalist is attached or inside of an absolute capitalist construct the more corrupted they become until ultimately theuy are transmuted into an absolute capitalist...

In the world has been taken over by the absolute capitalists close to 100 years ago and we have all been corrupted to varying degrees...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - FREDERIC BASTIAT, THE LAW

What Bastait is describing has been the case for 100 years now in the US especially...

Resistance to the tyranny of truth as dictated by Altruistic logic comes in waves...

I�ve had debates that last for a couple of months then after a few months passes It starts right back up again...

Until the system collapses no one really believes it can...

Like I said the system is the key to the absolute capitalist�s power and control and as long as it exists they will have power and control over Responsible capitalists

The system is a self indulgent reasonable self delusion...It is in contempt of logic and truth but we all depend on it to create the conditions which allow us to exist the way we exist...It is the provider of what the vast majority comprehend as existance...

To say it is going to collapse because it is based on self indulget reason or self delusional lies is a stance that Absolute capitalists and corrupted Responsible capitalists are not able to comprehend because they comdone the ends justifying the means...as long as the equation of the means continues to point to the desired ends then the result is that the system is good or true...since the Absolute capitalists interpret the truth as meaning you can do whatever you want as long as you don�t get caught...They will do what ever they want to do until they are caught...

A criminal will not believe he/she is caught until they are in a cage or about to be exicuted...

Unfortunately The system is not based on infinite industructible truth it is based on finite fragile lies and is 100% doomed to self destruction...It is the way the Universe itself is constructed...

Exposure of the truth will destroy the lie and the destruction of the lie will expose the truth...

All absolute capitalists are able to do is construct and perpetuate lies which is the key to their power and control...

Which leaves us at the when...When Hyper is the system going to collapse?

When the Absolute capitalists are unable to perpetuate the current lie...And employing altruistic logic dictates that Mathematically that the current lie will self destruct anytime between now and late 2005...

A new lie will need to be constructed to replace the current one...The rapid acceleration of police state powers in the US and UK is a sign that the Absolute capitalists have a new lie prepared and are prepared to impose it by force...

"We shall have World Government,whether or not we like it. The only question is whether
World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." -- James Paul Warburg (1896-1969) Chairman of the CFR, 1921-1932, Foreign Agent of the Rothschild Dynasty, major player in the creation of the Federal Reserve while speaking before the United States Senate, February 17, 1950

You have to impose lies with force Truth is always by consent...

To consent to world government it must be based on responsible altrustic logic unfortunately it is based on Absolute self indulgent reason... lies and self delusion...

It is doomed to failure like all world conquest schemes in the 6000+ year history of the responsible creation absolute destruction cycle we are in...Don�t let the technological wizardry fool you...There is basicly no difference in the basic mechanics of the system now then there was 6000+ years ago...

It is a fact that absolute capitalist fractional reserve systems grow weaker the longer they are in operation...

To put in in perspective the last time a debt deflationary implosion took place in the US was 1929...after 16 years of perpetuating a debt inflationary self delusional lie...

This time the Debt inflationary self delusional lie has been perpetuated for 45+ years...

When the inevitable collapse begins it will be cosmic...

It is far beyond the vast majority to begin to comprehend...

It does not matter if you believe it or not...

Truth is not dependant on reason...

Using reason to escape truth is impossible, in 6000+ years reason has had a 100% failure rate...

Responsible capitalists create civilization Absolute capitalists create ruins...

That is the unfortunate and inescapable truth...to say it is not is just a self delusional lie...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - FREDERIC BASTIAT, THE LAW

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:09 PM

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So who, is this entity if not those who control the world's monolithic media?

Absolute capitalists...

Exposure of the truth self destructs lies and when lies self destruct the truth is exposed...

We are so corrupted now that any exposure of the truth is not considered as a positive occurrence it is considered as a negative...

Negativity is to be avoided...

Exposure of the Truth must be feared...

After all these posts that you have read what is the fact that needs to be kept hidden or secret?

The truth... but after reading these posts what is the ultimate truth of fractional reserve banking which is such a big secret?

The secret is that the second you embrace a system based on debt inflationary self delusion your self destruction is 100% assured...

Exposure of the truth self destructs the lie and when the lie self destructs the truth is exposed...

The main goal of the Asolute capitalists is to replace a previously created lie which is self destructing or has self destructed with a new lie...

The current buzz is that a world currency is in the works...consolidation of all currency into one will not solve the problem of fractional reserve banking...

All it can do is inflate debt to it's maximum potential then implode...

Problem reaction solution... Back to the farmers...You conduct a raid dressed in red uniforms against a group of farmers...then approach them a day later dressed in blue uniforms and pledge protection for food...Until of course loose lips sink ships or the Farmers question how long they have to feed you...

Then you impose a military dictatorship...You can label people that question the authority of the blue as agents of the red or red sympathizers...You are either with us (the blue/Righteous) or with them (the red/evil)

The absolute capitalists own the left and the right...There are two factions the gradual left and the violent right...

right and wrong logical arguments have been replaced with right and left reasonable arguments...Divide and conquer...While the left and right bicker and fight the true agenda moves forward at varous rates of speed...

The imposition of a benevolent Marxist Utopia...Where the depraved sociopathic criminals who currently own and rule us are Miraculously transformed into respectable civilized Human beings...

Sounds like a farce which will blow up in their faces...Absolute capitalists will only attack you if you are a threat or get caught in the crossfire...that is one reason I have to stop what I'm doing now in about 3 months maybe less...When the collapse happens any open opposition will be savagely repressed...Draconian measures will be back in fashion...

The system has been fuelled by and hopelessly dependant on debt inflation for 45+ years to exist...when that slows or stops the current fantasy that is mistaken for reality will implode...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:10 PM

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Yes there are only 2 Ideologies...Logic and Reason...

The standard sales pitch...

Follow (Insert Political ideology or Religious dogma here) and the future will be one of eternal peace and happiness...

Employing logic will reveal if the ends are justified by the means...
Employing reason will reveal if the means are justified by the end...

When employing logic you must account for reason...

When employing reason you must discard logic...

When employing truth you must account for lies

When employing lies you must discard the truth...

Unfortunatly due to the construction of the Universe...truth can not be destroyed...To destroy truth is a rejection of the Universe itself...

Logic accepts reality and rejects fantasy while Reason accepts fantasy and rejects reality...

The left and the right both employ self indulgent reason...they are equally deluded...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:13 PM

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I wonder who fabricates dictionaries...I wonder who controls education?

Not I...

There is no entity there is only the choice of employing Responsible Altruistic logic or Absolute self indulgent reason...

Look the best you can do is take what information I post that turns your crank and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter...

The basic mechanics of the system dictate that it will implode soon...

That is the short and sweet answer if you want to know why...then go back to the start and read the whole mess over again...

As soon as you say there is no altruistic logic...you reject truth...It is you who find Responsible altrustic logic unpalatable...To say it does not exist is to deny I exist...Who is responding to your posts? scrutiny, crank turning? whats the difference really...

"Look the best you can do is take what information I post that holds up to your scrutiny and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter"

Is the syntax more palatable now?

All I do is try to decipher the underlying truth behind the monumental onslaught of lies which begin blasting me when I open my eyes in the morning...

I'm fully aware of what reality and fantasy are If you want to call fantasy reality I understand completely...

self delusion is currently the status quo

strategy...

Reduce the cost of existance to as low as possible...
Get out of all long term debt
Have 365 cans of Stew for every mouth you feel responsible for
Alternate sources of Heat and light is also good...

That will buy you enough time to think...Millions will not have time to think...

That is about it...The storm will be a very long process...given enough time to think I should be able to come up with more based on what I'm presented with...

It does not sound like much but that is me...Have to see how it unfolds...

I'll state it again in it's altered form for you consumption...

Look the best you can do is take what information I post that holds up to your scrutiny and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter

No need to turn simplicity into complexity...You want a war and I will not give you one...This has been going on for 6000+ years employing Responsible Altruistic logic dictates that It will continue since it is based on Absolute self indulgent reason...The responsible creation absolutute destruction cycle...

Like a thief, I've given you all I can give and it is not good enough for you...You want it all...I'm tied to a chair and you will torture me untill I give you want you want...Fortunately I'm not in a chair...I'm just visiting and will leave if that is what you want Great if not then too bad...I don't have to cause your self destruction...It is assured, the longer you stay on the path you're on...Go back and read the posts it is all laid out in great detail...Then...

Look the best you can do is take what information I post that holds up to your scrutiny and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter

Then If that is not good enough for you then...

Look the best you can do is take what information I post that holds up to your scrutiny and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter

Then If that is not good enough for you then...

Look the best you can do is take what information I post that holds up to your scrutiny and add it to your own...discard or forget the rest...Forget it all...Ultimately it does not matter

You can keep doing that for awhile I guess...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:18 PM

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There are only absolute capitalists and responsible capitalists...

That is all...In the responsible creation absolute destruction cycle...the absolute capitalists are at the hight of their power and malevolence at the end of the cycle...Most of us are basically corrupted Responsible capitalists due to exposure of the Absolute capitalist construct we are part of the second we were concieved...

The closer you get to the top the more corrupt it is... at the top of all Hierarchies is a Highly corrupted responsible capitalist or an absolute capitalist...

The problem is that the tyranny of truth was rejected for the tyranny of lies...

Lies are finite and fragile...

The lie we are living in is self destructing as all lies do only the truth is infinite and indestructible...

Absolute capititalists who employ self indulgent reason self delude themselves and ultimately self destruct...

That is the unbreakable law of the Universe...It is beyond debate...

It does not matter what color your skin is It does not matter what religious doctrine or political ideology you claim to believe in...As soon as you use absolute self indulgent reason to manipulate space and time you and everything you interact will will become corrupted and ultimately self destruct...

As we move closer to the final solution of self indulgent reason the self destruction function of the absolute capitalist system will become more and more evident until it is blindingly self evident...

The absolute capitalists have the power to convince the corrupted masses that a collapse is impossible...but they don't have the power to prevent it...

The is the event we get closer to everyday...

The exposure of the truth self destructs the lie and the self destruction of the lie exposes the truth...

The fractional reserve banking system is doomed to implosion, it always does and always will...there is nothing anyone on the planet can do to stop it...Nothing can at this point in the cycle...

Responsible capitalists create and Absolute capitalists destroy...That is the truth...before, now, and always...

acceptance of the truth is the only path to eternal salvation rejection of it leads to damnation...there is no escape...

The Bretton woods agreement designed by a socialist and a communist...began to fall apart before 1958 but that is when it became evident on this chart that the US became totally dependant on debt inflation...The actual collapse of the Bretton woods system did not become official until 1971 when the Gold window was closed or the self destruction of a lie replaced with a new lie...The current doomed system...

The total debt deflationary potental is 45+ years If you look at the above debt chart and notice the debt inflationary potential leveling off from 87 to 93-95 the system was actually beginning to collapse at that stage...During that time free trade was implemented to seek out a new supply of debt free victims and cheap labor to exploit...along with massive cutting of short term interest rates from 10% to 3% the Real estate industry was also winding down and Mortgage rates were chopped from 9% to 7% in 1990...the current mortgage backed security bubble began in 1991...and since we made it here without being in a soup line everything to keep the mess going worked out...

Except it weakened the domestic US economy fatally...At least during the Great depression the US had a powerful potental to produce it's way out...this time it does not to the same extent...

We were off to the races again... Short term rates dropped from 19% in 1982 to 3% in 1993...11 years...

In 2001 to 2003 rates dropped from 6.5% to 1% or 2 years...

The same magnitude...The Nuclear bomb has been dropped...That is all she wrote...Next to fall are Mortgage rates...

Over on Capitalstool that is basically what we are gawking at...

There is two theories...

Rates will crash in search of volume and more time will be bought or They won't and time will run out very quick...

It all boils down to 10 year treasuries...and the only way to effectively crash the yeild down is if the FED starts massively buying them up or if Central banks around the world lower their rates enough to feed more debt inflation into the system along with the proper social engineering to maintain psychology...Or a combo of all this...

And of course this is just to buy time...postponement of the inevitable...

The estimated theoretical maximum potential will be reached in 2005 to 2006 if rates continue to go down in search of volume which eventually will run dry...

So other than the debt deflationary potential built up the Kondratiff cycle seems to also be on track...

The key point is the size of the US Japan debt inflationary machine...It accounts for 45% of the worlds potential...Once the US goes down nothing will stop it...there is no bigger economy to out manufacture debt in the required amount to support debt inflation...and of the rest of the world most of their ability to produce debt is dependant on the US machine...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:19 PM

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The current system which the US officially became part of in 1913 had it's beginnings in 1694 with the creation of the Bank of England...So you would have to go back that far to study an Honest system or a more honest system then exists now...But the economic system which has basicaly been in operation from day one is the top sucking from the bottom system...In the responsible creation absolute destruction cycle the top due to the structure of economic systems becomes more and more powerful and the bottom less and less powerful...The centralization of credit creation at the top legalizes this system...and since the top has the power to create money out of thin air there is really no way to stop the top...Either the top or cause is identified and delt with the bottom will be easily controled killing each other combating effects...

In the coming collapse if the FEDERAL RESERVE/Debt backed by debt fractional reserve banking is not identified as the cause then it will be mostly a waste of time addressing effects...

The Federal Reserve combined with the Government has an almost unlimited ability to wage war against the bottom to defend itself...Prosperity and misery are only effects of the system...Hyperdeflationary implosions of the debt supply are just an effect of the system...

The absolute capitalist system based on self indulgent reason...I only advocate the individual realization of the truth...Any and all direct assults or threats against the top will be savagely repulsed...

Just talking the way we do here is terroristic...At some point the Internet will have to be shut down once it becomes a threat to the top...

The top does not want to hear that it is responsible or take responsibility they reject truth...In a top sucking from the bottom system it is the bottom's fault for everything...

The powerless are the problem or cause according to Absolute self indulgent reason...Truth is the enemy.

The truth that the top is the cause or responsible for the effects at the bottom is always discarded or identified as wrong thinking, a thought crime...

There are plenty of resonable arguments why it is the victims fault but no logical ones other than to identify the truth...which Absolute self indulgent reason rejects or labels an unthinkable thought crime...

The greater you resist the top the more resources and manpower they will devote to your destruction until it is you against the world...

Absolute Capitalists believe that the needs of the one or few outweigh the needs of the many...

The needs of the Ruler(s) outweigh the needs of the Ruled...

Absolute capitalists believe in the ends justifying the means and interpret law as you can do whatever you want as long as you don't get caught breaking the LAW...Or how a Criminal individual and or an Animal thinks...

If the ends are not to be caught then any and all means to accomplish that end are justified...

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - FREDERIC BASTIAT, THE LAW

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:34 PM

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Logic will dictate my course of action...

Fear...What is an absolute capitalist's greatest fear? the fear of being caught...what is a responsible capitalist's greatest fear? the fear of putting him or herself into a position where they are allowed to be caught...

Caught? Caught in a lie...

Responsible capitalists do everything in their power to avoid lying...

Absolute capitalists do everything in their power to avoid being caught lying...

You have been caught...

Don't worry I need no butter knives...

"Banking was conceived in iniquity, and was born in sin. The Bankers own the Earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen, they will create enough deposits, to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But if you wish to remain slaves of Bankers, and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create deposits." - Sir Josiah Stamp, (President of the Bank of England in the 1920's, the second richest man in Britain)

As long as you want to pay the cost of your own slavery I will inform you of it but I am not going to save you from it...I do not have that power...Only you do...In the big picture the absolute capitalists have been self deluding the vast majority for 310 years straight since the creation of the bank of England in 1694...which is the source of what we currently understand as modern civilization...

Is anyone 310 years old?

I suspect it is hard to imagine that no matter how much you whip a dead horse it will provide no more work...Yes that is a radical thought...I guess you will have to see it to believe it...You can pass laws making it illegal for dead horses to refuse to not work but in the end you will be caught in a lie...

You can pass laws to outlaw hurricanes or earthquakes...

You can pass laws making the depletion of natural resources against the law...

You can even pass laws outlawing truth...it is only a matter of time until you are caught...

Looking back at past collapses it is the victims (the Bottom) of the ponzi scheme who pay the price not the culprits (the Top)...

Cry and moan all you want...there is no way to escape the truth...

Yes Doom and Gloom...

Responsible capitalists do everything in their power to avoid lying...

That is why I don't go into anymore detail then is needed...If the side effect of exposure of the truth is panic then it must be kept to a minimum...to fully digest it...

There are secret societies not mentioned by Horder...I have done extensive studies on secret societies and they are mostly absolute capitalist factions...

There is no honor amoung thieves...One reason why the world is so hard to control or rule...Everyone of those factions thinks they will come out on top as supreme...but as the moment of truth draws closer and closer the sales pitch has less and less effect...The factions splinter...and interfacton fighting erupts...

Example of Absolute capitalist thinking...

"If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator" - George W. Bush in an interview just after Inauguration...

Who gets to be ruler of the world?

Well when it comes time to figure that question out all the various factions think it will be them...They did not perform good works for so long and reject truth to be subservient to it...

Then account for the fact that these various schemes were put into action 100's and even 1000's of years ago...

All have failed spectacularly...Why?

Absolute self indulgent reason which is self delusional and ultimately self destructive...

Ultimately our controlers will lose control...Because they are idiots.

Now it is just a waiting game until the jawdroping event, the point of maximum potential, The event that even people that think it will happen can't believe it will happen...

Survival? who knows what is really going to happen...when a highly technologically advanced global civilization that put it's destiny in the hands of a 300+ year old ponzi scheme finds out they put their destiny into hands of a 300+ year old ponzi scheme when it collapses...

What do you say? ooopsie?

Make no mistake...The New World Order looks good on paper but in practice it will be a huge flop...It will turn out like all the other times, trainwrecks...

Horder I knew who you were talking about the second you mentioned the entity and I have been studying that entity for 16 years...

Who is it I cannot criticize...

The absolute capitalists, religion and politics are just a means to their end...self destruction...

In the 6000+ years of accepted recorded history nothing has changed...Responsible capitalists create civilization and Absolute capitalists take it over corrupt it then it self destructs...every ruin is basicaly an absolute capitalist success story...

Other than the addition of some technological bells and whistles...There is no difference now... the responsible creation absolute destruction cycle...

All economic theroies reject the one bad apple spoils the barrel principle or discounts it heavily...effectively rendering all null and void...

The new world order is not the cure...it is the cause...always has been...as soon as you embrace the perpetuation of lies to support the infrastructure of your existance...you will not exist very long...

No matter how much power you have there is no power that can destroy the truth it is infinite and industructible...

The one bad apple has spoiled the barrel and now the next logical step is the continued rotting to dust of the apples and the barrel...

There is no miracle which will take place...What do you do with a rotton barrel of apples? You throw them in the garbage...

An Absolute capitalist rejects this reality...this infinite and inductructible conclusion...They reject responsibility...they reject altrusitic logic...

They reject the Universe...

That is the function and purpose they serve in the Universe...They give life to all the negative concepts...Lies, deciet, destruction, war, hate, evil, rage, revenge, and on and on in every language in every culture in every point in time...

Their Gift to human beings is doomsday...That is what the ultimate manifestation and projection of their power creates...always has and always will...their fate is sealed and there is no escape...the harder they try to escape the quicker their destruction...

I have no fear of cowards which is what they are...

**Sapiens** · November 22, 2007, 12:40 PM

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The system is fueled by debt inflation...If it slows or stops debt inflated assets will deflate rapidly...In the US real estate is massively inflated and is one of the key components in the Global debt inflationary machine...when it cracks massive amouts of misery will flood out...

Possibly the biggest debt inflationary real estate bubble in US history...notice that a spike in rates is followed by a spike in real estate construction...Now the FED has to get long rates down if it wants to continue the leveraging of leverage since short rates are basicly used up...

Once all rates crash as low as they can go volume will dry up...Consumers have a finite ability to consume debt...

Consumers consume their ability to consume...The US is classed as a post industrial consumer society...when consumption stops debt inflation slows then stops...society as it is currently believed to function stops also...

The general population has no idea what is coming and the people that are supposed to are in complete and total denial...

Like being strapped to a chair next to a bomb with a countdown timer counting down at a fluctuating speed...You don't know when but soon...

When the just think positive psychological bubble pops...no amount of monetary action will be able to reflate it...

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The perople [sic] and or groups that live off of compound interest employ policemen and soldiers to ensure compound interest gets paid...

Governments are hired by the same people and or groups as administrative bodies...

It is only a matter of time before those who live off of compound interest own all of what is considered the money supply and eventually they own all property...all those lower in the economic food chain become renters...

The top owns the entire USA...which is their private property...Ultimately it matters not what monetary system is used...the top will over time suck the bottom dry of everything...

That is how Kings became soverign...by owning everything, eliminating rivals, and turning free people into renters...

Fractional reserve bankers turned Kings into renters...

Interest is just legalized plunder...

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn't belong

If I lend you a dollar and expect 2 in return then I'm taking what does not belong to me...

If you are in a desperate situation and I capitalize on that to steal from you then I'm profiting from your misery...That is the nature of consensual or legalized plunder...

It is all a very simple operation...to become powerful you must take more than you give and to become powerless you must give more than you take...

Compound interest is the taking of more than you give...

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

Did you know that compound interest is a key flaw in monetary systems? It must be eliminated...

It is only consensual or legalized plunder...

I say government does not exist, it is a fiction, you will point to me and say but it does exist, look at the government buildings, the alphabet agencies, the gubmint employees and so on and so forth. Then I will say ah yes the grand illusion? Ya see it's all an illusion! Whats behind those buildings and alphabet agencies? It is mountains of debt! And the creditors are the real owners of government, they own it all. Have you ever known ANY government, Federal, State ot Local that is debt and usury free? Every loan, bond offering etc. that they agree upon, the entire asset base is the perpetual collateral.....the Politicians and Bureaucrats then must naively enslave the people thru TAXES to pay the usury and principle and employ REGULATIONS to protect those assets....

Government and the concept of democracy is merely a tool being used as a new deceptive form of voluntary enslavement...."A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury." Aristotle was the first known man to recognize the above quote, the Bankers have been using human nature and the concept of Democracy ever since the above fact was observed to employ their usury schemes on a grand scale.

There are plenty of useless idiots that fall for these schemes everyday....this is the SYSTEM the Rothschilds spoke of:

"The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependant on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class." -- Rothschild Brothers of London, 1863

ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE FRAUDS IN TOTO! They all represent one small group of men ruling over all facets of other peoples lives for personal gain whether it be economic greed, wealth, power, prestige, or beliefs, etc.!

"A certain rotteness begins when a man enters public office" --Thomas Jefferson

"WE THE PEOPLE" is the most outrageous illusion and fraud of all. You are not one of the people!

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. ~Preamble US CONST.

Can you as an individual or voting block form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare? NO YOU CANNOT! Only rulers may perform these functions by threat of incarceration and confiscation at the barrel of a gun!

Government fictions exist in name only to protect the creditors and their collateral! PERIOD! "We the Sheeple" are their slaves living in a complex Polyanna dream land matrix....Socialism, Communism, Facism etc. are derivatives of the same....they are all a desperate attempt to control the creators "free will." Once people realize that government is but the great fiction, a vampire that sucks the life blood out of it's human captives, government will cease to exist in all but name......

The Great Fiction

Government is �the great fiction� through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else. It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.

Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole�with their common aim of legal plunder�constitute socialism.

Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame and danger that their acts would otherwise involve... But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them and gives it to the other persons to whom it doesn't belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime. Then abolish that law without delay ... No legal plunder; this is the principle of justice, peace, order, stability, harmony and logic.

The law is justice�simple and clear, precise and bounded. Every eye can see it, and every mind can grasp it; for justice is measurable, immutable, and unchangeable. Justice is neither more than this nor less than this. If you exceed this proper limit�if you attempt to make the law religious, fraternal, equalizing, philanthropic, industrial, literary, or artistic�you will then be lost in an uncharted territory, in vagueness and uncertainty, in a forced utopia or, even worse, in a multitude of utopias, each striving to seize the law and impose it upon you. This is true because fraternity and philanthropy, unlike justice, do not have precise limits. Once started, where will you stop? And where will the law stop itself?

As proof of this statement, consider this question: Have the people ever been known to rise against the Court of Appeals, or mob a County Court, in order to get higher wages, free credit, tools of production, favorable tariffs, or government-created jobs? Everyone knows perfectly well that such matters are not within the jurisdiction of the Court of Appeals or a County Court. And if government were limited to its proper functions, everyone would soon learn that these matters are not within the jurisdiction of the law itself.

It seems to me that this is theoretically right, for whatever the question under discussion�whether religious, philosophical, political, or economic; whether it concerns prosperity, morality, equality, right, justice, progress, responsibility, cooperation, property, labor, trade, capital, wages, taxes, population, finance, or government�at whatever point on the scientific horizon I begin my researches, I invariably reach this one conclusion: The solution to the problems of human relationships is to be found in liberty.

.....Away with the whims of governmental administrators, their socialized projects, their centralization, their tariffs, their government schools, their state religions, their free credit, their bank monopolies, their regulations, their restrictions, their equalization by taxation, and their pious moralizations!

.....And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in our Creator and His works.
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A non fractional system must be constructed and compound interest must be eliminated...

Here is the progression of monetary systems...

Barter
Commodity based currency
Gold and Silver
Fractionally reserved Gold and silver
Fractionally reserved Debt

Sometimes hyperinflationary systems show up but are mostly an extension of The fractionally reserved debt system...Rome in the end depended on a combination of Debt backing debt and hyperinflationary (The creation of non backed money) Our current money supply is backed by debt...In hyperinflationary systems it is backed by nothing except a printing press or Coin punch...

My favorite is private property...What if I own all the property? Then what?

All economic systems operate by the top sucking from the bottom...eventually no matter what system you have the bottom is sucked dry...

That is the stage we are in and there is no other system to switch to when we hit maximum potential...Implosion is an effect of the system's normal operation...

Gold and silver systems implode also...that is why we have the current system...

The US ran out of gold in 1971 so there was two choices implode or switch to a debt backed system...

You just don't comprehend that fractional reserve banking is sustained by debt inflation from the second it is put into operation...Debt inflation must be maintained or the system implodes...The system has a maximum potential, when reached debt inflation becomes impossible...and the system which is as depend on debt inflation to exist as you are on eating and breathing to exist...implodes...Fractional reserve banking is the cause and what you experiance as an economic entity in the system is the effect...

The system is the cause of the actions of those dependant on the system for existance...Now you don't believe debt deflation exists...that is what you are supposed to believe...

The system itself is the scam the humans in the system are at it's mercy...including the powers that be...

Yes you are right...Centralized Fractional reserve banking was embraced...a manipulated and deliberately orchestrated event...In 1913...Every time this form of banking shows up collapse is inevitable...There is no way to run it forever all it can do is inflate debt to it's maximum potential then implode...That is all it can do...Debt inflation leads to malinvestment...

Inflate debt or die...it does not matter how you inflate it...There is nothing random about it...except the time of the implosion...the reaching of maximum potential debt inflation...The Looters are the top and the Lootees are the bottom...The entire social structure is a lie maintained by debt inflation...when it ends the lie collapses and a new lie is put in place...failure to embrace the new lie will lead to a cage or elimination...

Just imagine how many people have to be looted to support your standard of living now in the top 5% of the world...When debt deflation floods out you could easily not make the cut...

Here in Canada commercials for the Canadian deposit insurance corporation have been running sporatically for two years...Now they are on many times a day...

On CBS in the US there was one for the FDIC tonight...

The one in Canada stresses that Stocks, Mutual funds, and even bonds are risky...The Mutual Fund industry in Canada is crying about the commercials...

"Bill Gross, director of Pimco, is perhaps the most successful bond investor of this generation. He has often been referred to as "the Warren Buffett of the bond world"."

Is talking like me...except he calls maximum potential debt inflation High Noon...

Fractional reserve banking is the cause and everything else is the effect...

Not the other way around...

Is the system the cause of the collapse the or is the collapse the cause of the system?

Fractional reserve banking is a looting operation the very second it begins to function...It only becomes blindingly self evident at the end...at the beginning it is always hailed as the solution to the problem not the cause...

"traditionally accepted terms and definitions of Economics"

So now you are claiming that your programing makes you unable to comprehend...That is what it is intended to do...You are supposed to chase and lust after money not wonder where it comes from or how it is created. I had no idea that the system is systemically doomed to implode for 8 years...It was only in the last 2 years that I became aware of that truth...

The US began to run out of the ability to support itself in the late 50's...then it began to run out of oil...In 1971 the US was now unable to produce it's own existance and it was out of cheap energy...It could not settle it's trade imbalence due to dependance on imported energy and the fact that they had run out of gold to pay for it...so they then borrowed to survive...and forced the world to accept something created out of nothing for energy...The OPEC crisis and the whole middle east fiasco at the time was the created out of thin air excuse to lay blame on someone else...The US has progressively become more and more dependant on imports paid for with created out of thin air nothingness...Debt inflation is the cause of the current monetary inflation phenomena...

When you buy a new house the debt you are lent is created out of thin air...people who get paid to build the house spend that debt into the economy which expands the money supply which is composed of debt...

Once the maximum potential of debt inflation is reached a new created out of thin air fiasco will be produced for cover as the system implodes...But this time they will be closing the let the good times roll window...It won't be pretty...

Don't worry you will see what I've been talking about...it is not long now until debt deflation which you think is some science fiction fairy tale shows up...

The total debt is anywhere from 34 Trillion to 37 Trillion and debt inflation is dependant on the "required amount" to keep this, what we identify as reality, going the required amount will get bigger and bigger or buy less and less time...

Currently we will reach the point where the required amount of debt inflation needed will to be infinite exponentially...This situation could happen at any time but playing with rates the past 45+ years has postponed it...

The system as currently structured is not designed to produce infinte debt inflation...no system is or can sustain itself very long in infinite exponential operations...

It will destablize...begin to deflate, pass the point of no return, then suffer a hyperdeflationary implosion of debt...

late 2005 to early 2006 at the latest...but could due to our inability to see what is going on behind the scenes begin earlier...

Just to visualize the sizes...Derivatives in the system are estimated at 160 Trillion...

Step one get over the shock...

Step two Reduce the cost of existace to as low as you can

Step three Get out of and avoid long term debt...If you have alot of equity in Real estate then It is up to you if you want to sell...A Motorhome might come in handy...

The key is time...Now you have it, the above is not radical...When the main event takes place...There will only be enough time to panic...for 100's of Millions of people...

They will not have time to get over the shock...reduce their cost of existance or get out of long term debt...

Silver and Gold coins will be money...Even cash will be if it exists in people's minds as money...

When a debt backed by debt system implodes...it basically moves in reverse rapidly...

January 10, 2004
Speaker: Lyndon LaRouche webcast campaign meeting in Washington, D.C.

I did not know of LaRouche until last year...I'm Canadian...But His economics are sound and he has more resources then I do...Below are some of his rants...

High speed audio and video

I don't want to hear about the baggage either...I've already been accused of being a LaRouche Agent...I'm not, I arrived at my conclusions before I heard of him and if Mortgage rates are lowered enough Refinancing should be able to buy more time...

Debt inflation supports price...deflation of purchasing power...

The last hyperdeflationary implosion of debt happened in 1929 after the collapse of 16 years of debt inflation...This time we are at 45+ years...

Debt is money money is debt...Monetary expansion is inflationary Printing cash is one way...Requesting a bank to create debt out of thin air is another way...

Debt inflation leads to price inflation...Debt deflation leads to price deflation...

Why is a house worth $200,000? because it is bid up...Debt deflation contracts the money supply which is composed of debt...

When the debt supply shrinks then prices will have to drop...

Equity in debt inflated assets vaporises rapidly...and since it is a system based on the leveraging of leverage...if the worth of the leverage drops the amount of debt that can be created drops also...

It feeds on itself faster and faster...Until your mortgage is worth $200,000 and your house is worth $20,000... You need to pay $20,000 to pay your car off but it is worth only $1,000...The debt supply has shrunk to the point that there is only $1,000 being created/ month to pay your $3,000/ month salary...You either take a drastic pay cut or are flushed down the toilet...

And If you can't get your hands on enough income to make your debt service payments you have to default... to eat, you starve to heat your house, you freeze to buy electricity, you are in the dark...

Or you think they will just print cash and mail it to you because you are special or something? Or just hand it out on street corners? But you would have to exempt farmers because they have to slave in the fields producing food for you to consume with your printing press money free give away...

Inflation has rotted everyone's brain...It is hard to imagine a world without debt inflation...we are hopelessly dependant on it for our existance...

You would have to talk to someone in their 80's to 90's to find out what a deflationary reality is like...and that one was a minor event compared to what we are headed towards...

Tachyon...See that Germany trick? All these people saying they will inflate out are nuts...There is no way to inflate out...It is over very quick

In Germany the Government had the power to inflate out of what it owed by printing Marks to buy gold...which it owed to the winning powers after WW1...

In the US it is the public that owes...they have no power to inflate out other than borrowing untill they have borrowed as much as they can...Maybe they will lift the counterfiting laws and everyone can inkjet themselves out of debt?

Even if some kind of hyperinflationary scheme were to be put into successful operation it would only last a handfull of months...

In Germany when they turned the presses off the whole system hyperdeflated...The middle class was whipped out...massive starvation and brutality followed...

The top who was in the position to convert their surplus marks (Profits) into gold marks as soon as they got them bought up the victims at pathetic fire sale discounts when the whole thing collapsed...

That's right debt deflation is impossible...Like I said we have been in a self delusional debt inflationary bubble for 45+ years... The US is the top of the debt inflationary engine which the World is dependant on...The US accounts for 30% of total debt inflationary production...Japan is dependant on the US and accounts for 15% of world debt production...next is Germany which is dependant on the US and Japan and accounts for 7.5% of world debt production...

Total is 52.5%... The next 12 Countries which are dependant on the US Japan Germany combo account for 29% The next 115 countries all account for less than 1% apiece...total is 18.5%

Why is the US so rich? Because it is at the top of the Global ponzi scheme fueled by debt inflation Top sucks from the bottom...Sucking the world dry...Debt must keep inflating in the required amounts or the system will implode...the Debt inflationary potential of the US itself is unmatched by any single country or combination or countries on the Planet...

Which is totally impossible...Unfortunately it is 100% possible

Don't worry Hyper We have a printing press and can inflate out? That is what the US has been doing for 45+ years now inflating out...we inflated out of the total debt we owed in 1964 of 1 Trillion to 35 Trillion now...A true success story...

The Economy is fueled by debt inflation...period...Take it away and the economy runs out of gas...It is that simple...Every recession is just a minor slowing of debt inflationary potential...

Note the scale of the 2 charts the first one is 1 trillion/ year to maintain the debt inflationary course which we have to follow as seen on big picture 1 now we are at 2 trillion/ year...

Here is the nature of the flaw...what comes after inflation? more inflation...

wrong...Deflation is what comes after the system reaches it's maximum potential to "inflate out" The FED has dropped short rates from 1900 basis points to 100 basis points since 82 to support the creation of the required amount of debt inflation to overpower debt deflationary forces to prevent implosion...All the FED has done for 45 years is postpone the inevitable...Implosion...Nothing less and nothing more...

The only times a printing press is needed in a debt backed by debt system is...

When a previous physical paper note wears out and needs to be replaced...

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When the demand for physical paper notes is greater then the supply in bank vaults...

That is it...

Money supply is expanded by consumers requesting commercial banks to lend to them...

Have you all done your Patriotic duty and maxed yourself out? Spread the word tell your friends and family to borrow and spend to the maximum extent we are on the doorstep of economic utopia just alittle more should do the trick...the fate of civilization is depending on you...If you can borrow and spend but don't you are an anti Capitalist anti American traitor...What is wrong with you?

Oh I get it you are waiting for printing press salvation...They will use a printing press to print money to pay soldiers to hunt anti capitalist anti American traitors...

Don't be a coward, sacrifice yourself...ask not what the system can do for you, but ask what you can do for the system...Borrow and spend like there is no tomorrow...

It is up to consumers to borrow from tomorrow to create today...Eventually they will run out of tomorrows...

Then the jig is up...Live life to the fullest because it can end at any momment...

What a pile of crap...

Like I said earlier...I will be done in 3 months...I have to break free...

I've been studying this for years...The economy will collapse violently...How you percieve life now will be gone...there won't be enough left of the economy to fill an ashtray...The biggest bubble of them all is the psychological bubble...

I have some news for you...the people who own the system know full well it's effects and it's mechanics...they have forgot nothing...The people who imposed it or made it law...are just plain old self indulgent idiots...They can't forget what they don't know...

Basicly for 300 years every bank in the world has been a fractional reserve institution...you have to go back 400+ years to see a 100% reserve institution...

You are trying to comprehend it in your own way...as corrupted responsible capitalists...

I think like an Absolute capitalist on a daily basis...one reason I'll be gone in 3 months...It is sickening...I just want to spend the glowing embers of the good old days with my family...

What I read makes me laugh...Unless you have the power to create money out of thin air you are totally unprepared for what is coming...

The top has all the pieces of paper which state the bottom owes them...

The excuse that you can not pay the top because the system which the top owns has broken down making it impossible to pay the top...will not fly...

The bottom owes everything to the top the top owes the bottom nothing...absolutely goddamned zero not one penny...Their shit is more valuable then your life...

Don't think so? Who cares what you think? Not the Top...unless you think they are a problem or you have a problem with that, then you are a threat...

Because the general population has below zero clue on how the basic mechanics work any cause for the collapse can be rolled out...

Any finger pointed at the top will be swiftly and violently chopped off...I have quick hands...but even I'm pushing it...

The special relationship the Government and Federal Reserve have allow them to function just fine while the rest of the economic system collapses into rubble...

You will just be infrared targets on a scope if you resist... Planes can crop dust entire cities to subdue them...

We are running out of oil and natural gas...simple, reduce the population...problem solved...

The Department of Homland security ,go to their site and see just how big it is, is the defacto shadow Government in waiting...controlled by the President...the draft will be ready in 2005...

Ultimately they will fail...but the absolute capitalists will slam the hammer down with a force you can not begin to comprehend in the initial stages...

It is just a waiting game...the blow to your psychology will be devestating...

Whatever hope you have now will be taken out back and shot...

Conclusion...from the above Mises link...Or why I will be gone...

"Contrary to the popular way of thinking that professor Hal Varian presents in his article, the value of a paper dollar originates from its historical link to commodity money�which happens to be gold�and not government decree or social convention. Fiat money of the sort we use today could not and would not come about in a market setting. What the market created�gold-based money�the government had to destroy before leaving us with paper money whose value as a currency depends on the management practices of the central bank."

Pure crap every bank in the US prior to the formation of the Federal Reserve was a fractional reserve bank...How many years do these clowns spend rotting their brains out...Pointing the finger at the Government when it is the Fractional reserve banks themselves which cause the destruction...

You ask if you can borrow 10 dollars and I say sure...then get you to sign a contract which states I will lend you $10 for 1 year at 10% so after a year you will owe me $11 in gold or silver...Then I pull out a napkin and write $10 on it and hand it to you...

You say this is a napkin it's not money...Then I say you are in luck because I'm a banker and all the banks accept my napkins because I accept theirs...

Now get to work because you owe me $11...in gold and silver the Judges and police accept my napkins too and will enforce the contract you signed...

That is how banking has basicly worked for 300 to 400+ years...

Now we have a debt backed by debt system so forget the gold...

Elimination of the Gold standard allows banks to create almost unlimited amounts of debt out of thin air because money has been eliminated...But consumers have a finite ability to borrow it...once the borrowing slows or stops when the maximum potential is reached...the bubble will pop...

Bankers are just accountants with two sets of books and the power to create debt out of thin air...and call it money...

It is just a monumental ponzi scheme...everyone is paying interest on something that does not exist except in their imaginations...100's of millions of people totally duped bouncing around in a debt inflationary bubble that is going to pop violently...Without the foggest clue as to why...

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