What just happened?

[Spartacus]

Re: What just happened?

Raja,

Your wife should take the dogs to security training. Among other things, security dogs are trained to never eat anything except given by hand from their responsible parties.

Just being vicious doesn't mean anything.

I was under the impression that once a dog is well trained for security it's on a hair trigger.

I forget where I read it, must have been one of the Loompanics books I got in high school but supposedly on military bases there is one group that always has their weapons loaded and "ready just in case", the dog handlers

[mfyahya]

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I'm getting confused with the time line mentioned here:

Law abiding citizens do not turn into criminals overnight. Your town will not be run by warlords. There will be no wandering hoards of looters or ox-drawn Rolls Royces. That's Y2K stuff. Try to keep it in perspective, folks. Everything is going to get really, really slow for a while.

with this from the final stretch post:

History teaches us that adjustments to imbalances can be sudden and brutal, and we think it imprudent to bet that the mother of all international payments imbalances -- between the US and the rest of the world -- will be the exception.
The rise of gold from $260 to $700 in six years followed by an increase from $700 to $1000 in two years may be quickly followed by a rise from $1,000 to $5,000 in just a few months.

Doesn't gold at $5000 in a short while imply massive unemployment, empty store shelves etc? I don't mean things would go to MadMax levels but maybe the standard of live could rapidly go closer to third world levels, which is very unpleasant for those not used to it.

[c1ue]

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I was under the impression that once a dog is well trained for security it's on a hair trigger.

Spartacus,

Security and viciousness are not synonymous.

If the goal is protection, the dog needs to be trained so that it won't be distracted from what it is intended to protect.

If on the other hand the goal is intimidation, then an angry snarling dog is just fine.

Police dogs like K9, for example, are not intended for use as security.

Their most common use is intimidation and/or subjugation.

As another example - one security tactic used is to train the dog to bark only under certain circumstances. The idea is to not allow potential intruders to gauge the number and position of canine security by provoking a reaction before actual intrusion.

[Slimprofits]

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I'm getting confused with the time line mentioned here:

with this from the final stretch post:

Doesn't gold at $5000 in a short while imply massive unemployment, empty store shelves etc? I don't mean things would go to MadMax levels but maybe the standard of live could rapidly go closer to third world levels, which is very unpleasant for those not used to it.

Agreed on the confusion.

[metalman]

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Agreed on the confusion.

the message... tone down the guns 'n gold and survivalist talk we tend toward here every time ej posts a warning.

gold to $5000 and a crashed economy does not mean this...



it means this...



think of all the sleep towns you've ever driven through on your way through busy suburbs and between cities. now imagine busy suburbs and the cities sleepy like the sleepy towns. no much going on. run down.

yep, high crime areas will expand. if you live near one, can you expect a widening circle of crime? yes. does that mean buy guns and build a perimeter fence around your house and create a private 'green zone'? well... that's one approach. personally, i'd move.

[seanm123]

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Been to the motor city lately?

Putting faith in a Bible -- and a gun

Charlie LeDuff / The Detroit News

DETROIT -- Paulette Bouyer is a member of a peculiar little sorority in this city; a church lady who keeps a loaded pistol.
Once a rabid booster of living in Detroit, Bouyer's home was broken into in broad daylight two weeks ago. The interlopers even made it through the iron gate that covers the door. Now, Bouyer says, she is so afraid, she is prepared to break the Sixth Commandment -- thou shall not kill -- by virtue of her Second Amendment right to bear arms.
"If I could get a covered wagon and a mule and a piggybank, I'd get up and ride out of here tonight," she said. "Because if somebody walks through my door uninvited, somebody else is going to have to carry him out. Is that any way to live?"

She spends her days locked in her house of bars on Greenview Street on the city's west side. She watches the street suspiciously through a peephole covered by the metal security gate. In her window facing the street is a Bible opened to the book of Job.
Bouyer said she wishes to leave today. But she cannot leave today or tomorrow or next week. Who would buy her small three-bedroom bungalow?
"It's worthless," she said. "I can't get out."
It is a sentiment that stretches far across the metro region, from Sterling Heights to Warren to Redford. People trapped on an economic roller coaster, unsure where the bottom is, stuck in a declining neighborhood, chained to an aging house worth less than they owe.
Bouyer's neighborhood was one of those coherent places that city boosters liked to point to as a wholesome, functioning district where good people lived and children thrived. But the decline has come sharply and swiftly, people like Bouyer say.
The home next door to Bouyer's is boarded up. The house next to that is a charred ruin. The home across the street a victim of foreclosure. There are six houses on the block in similar disrepair. At the bottom of neighborhood on Seven Mile squats the abandoned Arnold Nursing Home, a hulking eyesore in the Greek revival style that has no windows and a sagging pediment. It has proven to be the millstone that has pulled the once thriving neighborhood down. At the top of Greenview Street on Eight Mile the story is the same: strip clubs and empty storefronts where small businesses once prospered. A student was recently shot and killed in a drive-by at nearby Henry Ford High School.
"I loved this city and I committed my life and my money to it," Bouyer said, on her way to cast her vote for mayor Tuesday. She is a brassy and well-put together woman, a 61-year-old grandmother with swollen joints and sensible shoes. She is prone to charming little turns of phrase such as "fantabulous." She keeps a neat home with cream carpets, a Bible on the table and the six-shooter next to that. Bouyer is president of her block association, a single mother who put two boys through college while working on the factory floor at Fisher Body.
When she bought her home 23 years ago, hers was a thriving, integrated community, she said. People kept their lawns cut. Children were in by dark. The future seemed bright. Then the future arrived.
"This neighborhood has become a desert of nomads," said Bouyer, a native Detroiter. "Older people take their garbage out once a week and lock themselves back in. People are moving out and it seems like nobody cares."
Bouyer committed her life to Detroit, preferring to see the glass half-full. She endured the bad times: the riot of 1967, the murder of her husband in 1977, the crack epidemic of the '80s and '90s, the blight of the abandoned nursing home in 2002, the drug addicts who moved into the foreclosed house next to hers in the middle of the night along with their children. The wild nights ensued. The loud music. The liquor in paper bags. The strange men.
But two weeks ago, while she was away at the store in the middle of the day, somebody pried through the bars and kicked the front door in. For whatever reason, they made off with nothing. But they had unlocked the windows, perhaps to return at another hour.
"I told her to get out, just walk away," said her son Chris, who lives in another state. "It's not normal that a church lady needs to be packing to go to church."
Bouyer cast a cynical vote for mayor at the Calvary Presbyterian Church at 10:30 a.m. on Tuesday. By that time, just 16 others had voted.
"People have given up," said Johnnie Wilford, a friend of Bouyer's and a member of her church sorority. "We've been forgotten out here."
Felix Seay said as much: "I'd sell my house and leave to another state if I could."
Even Pastor Kevin Johnson said he sometimes fantasized about acquiring his own handgun to stop the thieves from robbing his church. But the problem is much bigger than that, he said.
"With the decline of the middle class, the lack of jobs and the schools deteriorating, it is a perfect storm and we are in the eye of the hurricane," he said. "One day I'm getting out of here too, Lord willing."
Bouyer's choice for mayor did not place in the top two of Tuesday's primary. Even so, she said she would be willing to stay in Detroit with a few provisos.
"I want to see the police," she said. "I want to see the abandoned buildings torn down. I want to see something for these kids. That's not too much to ask, is it? To do right? Is that too much to ask?"


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...RO08/902260402

[zoog]

Re: What just happened?

the message... tone down the guns 'n gold and survivalist talk we tend toward here every time ej posts a warning.

gold to $5000 and a crashed economy does not mean this...



it means this...



think of all the sleep towns you've ever driven through on your way through busy suburbs and between cities. now imagine busy suburbs and the cities sleepy like the sleepy towns. no much going on. run down.

yep, high crime areas will expand. if you live near one, can you expect a widening circle of crime? yes. does that mean buy guns and build a perimeter fence around your house and create a private 'green zone'? well... that's one approach. personally, i'd move.

That's what I did.:cool: As long as you are living anywhere near relative concentrations of people, I would expect crime to increase. But placing yourself in an area with relatively less crime to start with would be an advantage, and would probably minimize the level of "fortressing" necessary.

[cjppjc]

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DETROIT -- Paulette Bouyer is a member of a peculiar little sorority in this city; a church lady who keeps a loaded pistol.

That's one lady you would like to meet. To be in the presence of her strength of character and her obvious determination.

[goadam1]

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Wait, one day you are saying maybe we should buy booze to barter with and the next you are calling us doomers.

[goadam1]

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In the previous article EJ said we wouldn't repeat Japan. Are you implying we will or saying it is a boring analogy.

[metalman]

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In the previous article EJ said we wouldn't repeat Japan. Are you implying we will or saying it is a boring analogy.

mucho road between japan and mad max... er... with burned out cars strewn all over it!

[goadam1]

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Honestly, your last article was road to ruin and this article telling us to cheer up tells us we are broken down in the middle of nowhere with no food or water. What the hell should I think?

[goadam1]

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funny but disturbing. Anyway, mad max is when we run out of oil and soylent green is when we eat each other. I think we will still get to those places but not yet.

[phirang]

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AIG is getting its CDS' backstopped by all the J6P US posters here.

Nice, eh?

EJ, how's Obongo working out for you so far? Has he given enough wealth away to the bankers for your liking?

I recall being banned for cynically dismissing EJ's adulation of Obama, and unfortunately history has ALREADY vindicated me.

[goadam1]

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The problem is we actually are FOLLOWING you. You are a beacon. You are a leader. So we take everything you say VERY seriously when you talk about stuff that implies trading kidneys for kidney pies.