Vote for Obama. Here's why.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

same deal with mccain. no one thinks he can win this election but that's bs. of course he can win. stop watching tv.

I disagree. This election was tailor made for opposition to the mainstream Republicans. McCain's only real chance all along was an Obama mega-gaffe that never materialized.

Republicans don't like McCain, never have. For years the the hardcore party zealots have referred to him as one of the Republicans In Name Only along with Collins from Maine and a couple of others. A majority of party-independents no longer like McCain - that has been borne out in poll after poll over the last month and in the new election results. And he used to be "their guy". During every election the candidates are chasing after the 10-15% of the potential electorate that either didn't vote in the prior election or tend to be party-independent. McCain finally blew it when he said, "the fundamentals of the economy are strong". Add in that only the most diehard of GOP party zealots can stand to be in the same room as Palin.

[ricket]

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It is entirely sensible to look at one's environment and the changes occuring in it, compare those changes to similar changes that have occurred in other places, and sound the alarm if one finds something threatening.

Civilization is not prevented from progressing by people pointing out how history shows that the direction it is moving has been tried before and resulted in disaster. (Just ask Native Americans how it worked out for them when they got a big dose of 'diversity' beginning in 1492. Would you have told them that they were 'xenophobes' who were resisting 'progress'? Were their lives just meaningless, empty exercises in xenophobia because they didn't have large populations of Europeans, Somalis, Japanese, Arabs, etc, etc, etc living in their nations?)

I accept the necessity of an Obama presidency and strong leftist control of Congress as a means of waking well-meaning white liberals up to what is happening. But I will not shut up. If your "progress" is so tenuous that it can't stand up to reasonable, dispassionate analysis, then that says something about your notion of progress, not something about me.

See, I still see a sense of fear of the unknown by your statements. The reality is that we are not the Native Americans of 1492 who were conquered by the imperialism of the world. We are a globally centralized community (as made possible by the internet) who, whether you want to admit it or not, is radically different in many ways from the same group of localized individuals (ie the North Americans of 1492) who never even had any kind of exposure of others outside of their own race/culture/beliefs. Today's society is vastly different in that we are VERY AWARE that there are different cultures that exist outside our sphere of influence and that may not have ultimately negative consequences for our own survival. Since we do not have that fear of the unknown, we do not perceive others that are not quite like us as malevolent creatures who's only pursuit is the destruction of others. That is the arena in which your arguments seem to lie and I call you a "tinfoil-hat wearing paranoid psycho" for always fearing that if people arent like you then they must obviously be out to destroy you.

Short version: Youre a wuss and are scared of the unknown. Grow up, it's a brave world out there. Don't be scared. It ain't so bad...

[Nervous Drake]

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How did you come to that conclusion? I am sincerely asking.

I was actually wondering that too. It's an interesting read that I'm not sure many people could just pick out.

Pretend I'm just a young dumb kid asking you about your wisdom. Do you see Obama's charisma as not inherently good but demonstrates a lacking? I've always wondered how people who are incredibly charismatic can hide some serious inner demons.

[ThePythonicCow]

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How did you come to that conclusion? I am sincerely asking.

Space, time and my patience do not permit me to present anything resembling a complete or particularly persuasive list of reasons and sources.

My favorite radio source is Mark Levin. My favorite web sites for such matters include Jack Wheeler's "To The Point News" and FreeRepublic.com. I observe an unrelenting bias in the main stream media for Obama, and against (since he became the nominee) McCain and against Palin. The background associations of Obama with hard leftists (Davis, Ayers), starting from his adolescence in Hawaii are continuous in his life, and consistently covered up or downplayed. Watching him speak, he's far closer to saying what he figures his audience wants to hear, and less concerned with anything resembling consistency with the facts or his previous statements than even most dishonest politicians. That is, he's a pathological crowd pleaser to a significantly greater degree than most politicians or that I would trust. YouTube video tapes and other recordings and records show him speaking to pretty much shut down the military, shut down (bankrupt) the coal industry, lie outrageously about his tax plans, diss rural Americans (clinging to their bibles and guns), abandon Israel, invoke repeated class warfare against those who have succeeded, promise to redistribute our money, take our guns, create a domestic security force as strong as our military, kill babies even after birth, show a complete absence of understanding for the proper limited basis of our government, intend to "find" in the Constitution a -mandate- for various social welfare, redistributions and reparations, take from the rich and give to the poor, ... His paper thin resume has been hidden from view, including his college records, his state legislative records, his birth records, his ACORN activism, his strong Senate liberal voting record ("Most Liberal") and Fannie/Freddie support (second highest recipient of lobby money from them) and his community organizing work. His Chicago thug style politics (Rezko) have suppressed dissent and exposure of his past, and attacked relentlessly and dishonestly his opponents. He was active in a racist, hate Whitie, hate America (Wright) church for twenty years.

See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

See also books:

• The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate by David Freddoso
• Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Threats, Liberals Who Want to Kill Talk Radio, the Do-Nothing Congress, Companies That Help Iran, and Washington Lobbyists for Foreign Governments Are Scamming Us ... and What to Do About It by Dick Morris, Eileen Mcgann
• The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values by Brad O'Leary
• The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality by Jerome R. Corsi

He has no more business being President than I do starring as a leading lady in a James Bond movie (I'm a big old man, btw.)

That he was elected scares me far worse than the worst case scenarios for the Great Depression II, for it means that a majority of the American voters have lost the ability to preserve our liberty.

[ThePythonicCow]

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By the way, in case you haven't guessed, I did not vote for Obama .

[erw698]

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Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

looks like door number 1 :eek:

you should include psychiatric therapy in your investment portfolio

[ThePythonicCow]

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looks like door number 1 :eek:

Yup - that it be.

[jimmygu3]

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Can you point to a single example of a former white-majority city or country where the quality of life of the remaining white residents has not been seriously compromised when they became a minority? I can't.

Atlanta, GA.

[Wild Style]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

Space, time and my patience do not permit me to present anything resembling a complete or particularly persuasive list of reasons and sources.

My favorite radio source is Mark Levin. My favorite web sites for such matters include Jack Wheeler's "To The Point News" and FreeRepublic.com. I observe an unrelenting bias in the main stream media for Obama, and against (since he became the nominee) McCain and against Palin. The background associations of Obama with hard leftists (Davis, Ayers), starting from his adolescence in Hawaii are continuous in his life, and consistently covered up or downplayed. Watching him speak, he's far closer to saying what he figures his audience wants to hear, and less concerned with anything resembling consistency with the facts or his previous statements than even most dishonest politicians. That is, he's a pathological crowd pleaser to a significantly greater degree than most politicians or that I would trust. YouTube video tapes and other recordings and records show him speaking to pretty much shut down the military, shut down (bankrupt) the coal industry, lie outrageously about his tax plans, diss rural Americans (clinging to their bibles and guns), abandon Israel, invoke repeated class warfare against those who have succeeded, promise to redistribute our money, take our guns, create a domestic security force as strong as our military, kill babies even after birth, show a complete absence of understanding for the proper limited basis of our government, intend to "find" in the Constitution a -mandate- for various social welfare, redistributions and reparations, take from the rich and give to the poor, ... His paper thin resume has been hidden from view, including his college records, his state legislative records, his birth records, his ACORN activism, his strong Senate liberal voting record ("Most Liberal") and Fannie/Freddie support (second highest recipient of lobby money from them) and his community organizing work. His Chicago thug style politics (Rezko) have suppressed dissent and exposure of his past, and attacked relentlessly and dishonestly his opponents. He was active in a racist, hate Whitie, hate America (Wright) church for twenty years.

See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

See also books:

• The Case Against Barack Obama: The Unlikely Rise and Unexamined Agenda of the Media's Favorite Candidate by David Freddoso
• Fleeced: How Barack Obama, Media Mockery of Terrorist Threats, Liberals Who Want to Kill Talk Radio, the Do-Nothing Congress, Companies That Help Iran, and Washington Lobbyists for Foreign Governments Are Scamming Us ... and What to Do About It by Dick Morris, Eileen Mcgann
• The Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American Values by Brad O'Leary
• The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality by Jerome R. Corsi

He has no more business being President than I do starring as a leading lady in a James Bond movie (I'm a big old man, btw.)

That he was elected scares me far worse than the worst case scenarios for the Great Depression II, for it means that a majority of the American voters have lost the ability to preserve our liberty.

Thank you sir

[jimmygu3]

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Hopefully, either I'm a whacked out nut job, or Obama loses tonight.

Well he won, so hopefully you're a whacked out nut job.

[ricket]

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See further such sites as http://obamaunveiled.com/ or http://www.politicallyincorrectfacts...Obama_Main.htm or http://www.theobamafile.com/ or http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=79411 .

I know that all I can smell out of you is fear. Nothing but absolute fear of the unknown. "OH MY GOD HE'S NOT LIKE ME SO HE'S GOING TO DESTROY ME!".

I have a rather accurate reputation for picking up the "vibes" that other people give off, and have usually been correct in my initial interpretations of individuals after having only met them and spoken with them for just a few brief moments. You strike me as one who is fearful of the unknown whether you want to admit it or not. I can just *feel* the fear coming out of your pores in every word you type.

[jimmygu3]

Re: Vote for Obama. Here's why.

I know that all I can smell out of you is fear. Nothing but absolute fear of the unknown. "OH MY GOD HE'S NOT LIKE ME SO HE'S GOING TO DESTROY ME!".

I have a rather accurate reputation for picking up the "vibes" that other people give off, and have usually been correct in my initial interpretations of individuals after having only met them and spoken with them for just a few brief moments. You strike me as one who is fearful of the unknown whether you want to admit it or not. I can just *feel* the fear coming out of your pores in every word you type.

Do you think ThePythonicCow could be a "victim of serious child abuse"? ;)

[ASH]

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My conclusion was that we, and I am being presumptuous here, over the age of 30 do not understand the generation that Obama represents.

What they are against is: ... and being ripped off by their parents who have mortgaged their future and left them with a reverse mortgage on the deflating family home.

Did the the boomers think their kids would never grow up and become sentient beings? Maybe not a class war but a justified uprising of a generation that knows it is stuck with the tab from the previous one. What did we expect?

I can't square this perception at all with President-elect Obama's actual campaign positions on Social Security and Medicare. At 33, I don't quite fit into the "under 30" demographic, but getting stuck with the tab for the previous generation is my major political issue. Obama's campaign position on the entitlement programs was less responsive to the interests of the younger generation than McCain's campaign. I share Robert Samuelson's impression that the economic interests of younger voters were not adequately addressed by either candidate, but were entirely ignored by Obama, who seemed to be AARP's poster child. I think Obama got the young vote for every reason you cited OTHER than the economic issue -- and that the young are selling their votes cheaply for ideological issues at the expense of their practical self-interest.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Do you see Obama's charisma as not inherently good but demonstrates a lacking?

I see it as inherently evil :eek:.

Most of us, to lie affectively, have to momentarilly convince ourselves of the possible truth of what we say. Granted, if your brain is as scattered as mine, such dilusions and confusions are not that uncommon. But still, most of us, most of the time, can and do present some consistent views of the truth, as best we see it, with minor modifications for politeness or such.

A few who survived serious abuse sometime in childhood learn the hard way that their very lives depend on suppressing beneath the level of their day to day consciousness some critical truths. It's lie or die. Their entire adult lives, all communication with others, public or private, is a facade, upon which their very existence depends. This facade becomes well practiced; its facile flexibility and quick responsiveness to the perceptions of others can be a useful skill in a few jobs -- prostitution, politics, spying and used car sales come to mind, though most practioners of those jobs are not so wounded. They can easily become a blank canvas, on whom others can paint their hopes and dreams. They are easily manipulated, by those who would manipulate others to gain some power or advantage. They usually have a more or less hidden inner rage, seething, like a not quite dormant volcano.

[BrianL]

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Statements like this, on both sides of the isle, cause people to dig in and defend their positions. Change and faith come through action. Until the new administration begins to earn the trust through action, the best any Obama supporter can for the cause is lend listen, understand others and help out.

Everyone has reasons for holding their beliefs. Attacking belief through anything other than patient and caring action rarely does any good. Instead of debating ThePythonicCow, calling him (her?) out in public, I would suggest quietly listening to rationale, acknowledge points of view, and wait for opportunities to humbly point out good works (and acknowledge future failures on the new administrations part).