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    That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

    Just over two years ago we issued this advisory to our readers:
    Turbulence in markets unnerves Bank and Fed officials
    June 13, 2006 (Times Online)

    Concern is growing over the present instability of financial markets among senior officials at the Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve.

    The Bank of England’s Governor meanwhile sounded a warning last night that markets and the global economy may be set for a period of greater turbulence triggered by rising interest rates around the world.

    AntiSpin: "Period of turbulence" is not the signal to run for serious cover. When central banks seek to assure us that "the system is fundamentally sound" that means that the system is most certainly not sound, and that the wheels are about to come off. Watch for phrase "the system is fundamentally sound."
    Protesting too much is a time honored tradition of US Treasury secretaries in such periods, and the phrase "fundamentally sound" comes up on each occasion when, after a year or so of debt deflation and systemic breakdown, the system becomes most certainly fundamentally unsound.
    "Traders, talking over the Morgan meeting, failed to remember any previous occasion on which a stock market conference had been called while a trading session was still in progress. They did recall, however, that in 1907, with call money at 125%. Secretary of the Treasury Cortelyou conferred with J. P. Morgan, put $25,000,000 of Government funds into Manhattan banks, halted the Panic. They remembered too the Northern Pacific crash of 1901. when, after Northern Pacific stock had gone overnight from $150 to $1,000 a share, the House of Morgan, representing the late great James J. Hill and the House of Kuhn, Loeb, representing the late great Edward H. Harriman, compromised at $150 a share, saved from ruin many a short. Then there was the U. S.-England war scare of 1895 when, with money at 80%, J. P. Morgan offered money at 6%, averted a threatened crash. Thus bankers have for a long time recognized their responsibilities as panic-preventers, and when the glass house of speculation has cracked and splintered, it has most often been the strong House of Morgan that has assumed the responsibility of fame and brought order out of confusion." - Bankers v. Panic, TIME Magazine, Nov. 4, 1929
    Tonight, reading the century old script, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson asserts:
    Paulson braces public for months of tough times
    Sunday July 20, 2008 (AP)

    Treasury chief braces people for months of tough times ahead, says US banking system is sound

    Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson sought to reassure an anxious public Sunday that the banking system is sound, while also bracing people for more troubled times ahead.

    "I think it's going to be months that we're working our way through this period -- clearly months," he said.

    Paulson said the number of troubled banks will increase as they struggle to cope with big losses on bad mortgages. The government this month took over IndyMac after a run led it to become the largest regulated thrift to fail.

    "Of course the list is going to grow longer given the stresses we have in the marketplace, given the housing correction. But again, it's a safe banking system, a sound banking system. Our regulators are on top of it. This is a very manageable situation," he said in broadcast interviews.

    Paulson used appearances on the Sunday talk shows to tell people that deposits up to $100,000 are fully insured. He said no one has lost a single penny on an insured deposit in the 75 years that the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation has operated.

    "We're going through a challenging time with our economy. This is a tough time. The three big issues we're facing right now are, first, the housing correction which is at the heart of the slowdown; secondly, turmoil of the capital markets; and thirdly, the high oil prices, which are going to prolong the slowdown," he said.

    "But remember, our economy has got very strong long-term fundamentals, solid fundamentals. And you know, your policy-makers here, regulators, we're being very vigilant."
    Banker's reputations suffer for bad calls, and I suspect Hank's will as well.
    "Al Wiggin has never been known as a hard banker like President William Chapman Potter of Guaranty Trust Co., but he saw to it that his bank was ready for the 1929 stockmarket crash. Last week, in acknowledging Mr. Wiggin's letter, the executive committee revealed that in October 1929, Chase had less than $1,000,000 in brokers' loans. In the week of the panic, while frightened outside lenders were scrambling to call their Stock Exchange loans, Chase expanded its loans $373,000,000. It was National City Bank's Charles Edwin Mitchell, a rampant bull, who became the popular scapegoat of the Crash with his insistence that conditions were fundamentally sound." - Wigging Out, TIME Magazine, Jan 2, 1933
    Ultimately, politics decides the outcome.
    Tireman Harvey Firestone: "Business is good all over the country. But is it going to keep on? Are we fundamentally sound? I don't know. I can't subscribe to some of the principles being put into effect."

    Banker Claude Ashbrook of Miami declared that President Roosevelt's promise to keep the U. S. out of the war was worthless, "like all his other promises."

    Frank Bornn, Brooklyn distiller, predicted that "unless the Government does something drastic about it," bootleggers would force legitimate liquor concerns to the wall. "Just another example of how the Roosevelt Administration has fallen down on the job," said Mr. Bornn.

    President George A. Hughes of Chicago's Edison General Electric Appliance Co., which just electrified the White House kitchen, reported business 100% better, denied that the New Deal was in any way responsible, predicted a Roosevelt defeat in the 1936 campaign.

    Republican George H. Moses, onetime New Hampshire Senator, tartly remarked that the country was "going to hell in a hack," that the "sons of the wild jackass are multiplying like jack-rabbits," that "this country cannot continue to exist half Roosevelt, half Frankfurter." - Millionaires' Talk, TIME Magazine, Oct. 14, 1935
    Of our more modern banks we are not assured that they are any better than previous over-leveraged and poorly structured systems.
    ...ex-Fed Chairman Paul Volcker had this to say: "Simply stated, the bright new financial system, for all its talented participants, for all its rich rewards, has failed the test of the marketplace," Volcker said during a speech Tuesday to the Economic Club of New York. "What has plainly been at risk is a disorderly unraveling of the mutual trust among respected market participants upon which any strong and efficient financial system must rest." San Francisco Chronicle, April 13, 2008
    The system is fundamentally unsound. Today, as ever before, sons of wild jackasses are coming out to offer scripted reassurances. They are multiplying like jack-rabbits. If you are counting on them to save the day and prevent both the loss of your money, and of its purchasing power, I recommend you put aside at least a few month's cash just in case they prove to be as incompetent and full of shit as in previous instances.


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    Last edited by FRED; July 21, 2008, 08:07 AM.

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    Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

    Originally posted by EJ View Post
    That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''
    Well at least they've stopped blathering on about how everything is "contained" and "well anchored". Gentle Ben actually used the word "crisis" this week. That's progress...:rolleyes:

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      Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

      I just covered my shorts last week. Oil was finally coming down & letting go of it's stranglehold of the stock market/U.S. economy.

      Now Hank, our 3rd Treasury Secteray in fours years or so, says "all is well." Uh huh. Why were the two previous Treasury secretaries let go? They ran around for the longest time saying "we believe in a strong dollar." Wait, Hank's been reading from the script too. Oh sh*t!

      I sense a day coming up where Jim Cramer goes through every emotion in one appearance, and the clip of it gets 1,000,000 views on You Tube within one day. Then we'll know that all is indeed NOT well....

      Do those circa 1950 backyard bombshelters protect from financial crises?

      Oh what the hell: bring back Disco!

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        Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

        Originally posted by EJ View Post
        If you are counting on them to save the day and prevent both the loss of your money, and of its purchasing power, I recommend you put aside at least a few month's cash just in case they prove to be as incompetent and full of shit as in previous instances.
        Over in this thread on "RBS issues global stock and credit crash alert" a month ago on I wrote:
        Originally posted by krakknisse View Post
        When is the time to withdraw actual paper cash from your friendly neighbourhood bank? I'm sort of waiting for EJ to put "CRASH - GO GET YOUR CASH" in 72-point letters on the ITulip front page.
        Thanks, EJ! When a level headed guy such as you speaks, it is time to listen. "ITulip: The Fear & Greed Anti-serum (TM)". May I invite you to speculate, pontificate, predict or otherwise enlighten your trans-Atlantic friends as to when the proverbial financial fecal matter will hit the impeller over here? Does your call only hold for US banks?

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          Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

          Thanks for helping connect the dots a little Eric. My first take on Paulson's TV appearances this weekend was that they were simply to help sell the Fanny/Freddy bailout that's apparently starting to take shape in Congress.

          But if I add the "no short" list to this latest data point, and ponder a bit, I come to a different conclusion.

          They are busy circling the wagons because the major shitstorm is about to make landfall.

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            Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

            The video on your front page shows a man unable to clearly enunciate and with his voice stuttering. I find that VERY scary. But turn to your video above and notice that they have gone back and, presumably at his request, faded his voice when he tells us how many banks were going bust during the savings and loan crisis.

            He does make one admission that at least gives us an idea that he has at last the courage to admit to what is wrong. No, not about housing, but about leverage, he admits leverage is an issue.

            About 20 times too late and at least 10 years too late, but at least someone has brought that issue to the front of his mind.

            Perhaps at last he is reading iTulip?

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              Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

              This turned up today in The Times London and, if you go look you will see that it seems I got the chance to make a comment too. But most noteworthy is this from the text:

              Despite spending months consulting with mortgage industry experts, including banks, building societies and other specialist lenders, Sir James is expected to tell the Chancellor that “no clear consensus” has emerged on how best to tackle the problems in the wholesale funding markets.

              http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/mon...MC-Bltn=PLZCA9

              July 21, 2008

              'Gold standard' plan for mortgage securities

              Siobhan Kennedy

              Plans to introduce a “gold standard” for mortgage securities are to be considered this week. The Treasury will look at the proposals as part of an interim report to be submitted to Alistair Darling tomorrow.

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                Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                Am I the only one finding it very ironic that they use the phrase "gold standard" metaphorically in these times?

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                  Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                  Originally posted by krakknisse View Post
                  Am I the only one finding it very ironic that they use the phrase "gold standard" metaphorically in these times?
                  I thought that was pretty funny as well. Of course, without having even read how it works, I can surmise that their "gold standard" involves absolutely no gold whatsoever.

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                    Wish I had Noticed this...

                    If you think the "gold standard" line was ironic what about this blindingly obvious irony:

                    "... the Federal Reserve said Fannie and Freddie could get financing at its discount window, a privilege previously available only to banks. The absurdity of this situation was highlighted by the way the discount window works. The Fed does not just accept any old assets as collateral; it wants assets that are “safe”. As well as Treasury bonds, it is willing to accept paper issued by “government-sponsored enterprises” (GSEs). But the two most prominent GSEs are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In theory, therefore, the two companies could issue their own debt and exchange it for loans from the government—the equivalent of having access to the printing press..."


                    From the Economist via Ritholtz...


                    http://www.economist.com/finance/dis...ry_id=11751139

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                      Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                      "I recommend you put aside at least a few month's cash just in case they prove to be as incompetent and full of shit as in previous instances."


                      Rather Strong stuff Eric....."Full of Shit" !

                      Are you saying:-

                      "Mega, go to bank & get out a months worth of cash & stash"?

                      Mike

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                        Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                        Originally posted by Mega View Post
                        "I recommend you put aside at least a few month's cash just in case they prove to be as incompetent and full of shit as in previous instances."


                        Rather Strong stuff Eric....."Full of Shit" !

                        Are you saying:-

                        "Mega, go to bank & get out a months worth of cash & stash"?

                        Mike
                        Mike, speak english dude.

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                          Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                          I did just that when IndyMac failed...no use in having an emergency fund that you can't get to....

                          BTW they had a slight moment of panic and I only took out 7k...my teller had to vouch for me being a "regular" otherwise I think I probably would have had to fill out paperwork :mad:

                          Crazy Times!

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                            Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                            Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                            Mike, speak english dude.
                            I have exactly the same question as Mega, not sure what wasn't clear about his question but here it is again:

                            When you say have a few months of cash on hand, do you mean literally wads of notes under the mattress or do you mean cash deposit in a bank...

                            That much cash is a lot to have lying around.
                            It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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                              Re: That dreaded phrase: ''The system is fundamentally sound''

                              You know, am a fool..........a nobhead...left school with very little.....but as far back as 2003 i smelt trouble, by 2005 i was banging my head on the wall............"Why don't they see it!?"

                              I am NOT willing to believe that the Brightest & best of American goverment/Fed/Banking DID NOT SEE THIS COMING!

                              The Dogs in the streets KNEW !

                              The phase "Looting" keeps coming into my head!
                              Mike

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