The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

[c1ue]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

How about Pearl Harbor? Was the US attacked because the Japanese rulers deems the US incapable of defending itself?

Pearl Harbor was attacked because the US was conducting economic warfare on Japan in the form of an oil embargo.

As I've noted in previous posts: oil for Japan was literally the staff of economic growth.

Where is the Chinese embargo on the US? Or vice versa?

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

While I am the last person to say Gaddafi is a wonderful human being, the reality is that he is being attacked at least in part because he lacks the means to defend himself and his country.

How about Pearl Harbor? Was the US attacked because the Japanese rulers deems the US incapable of defending itself?

Because of 66 years of post-WWII peace, we start to take for granted about danger of dictatorships and what can happen if they grow overconfident. Give them an inch and they will want a yard - they will want control out of their borders - it is the nature of dictatorships to yearn for more power. There is no such thing as a peaceful dictator. If it appears peaceful, it is a Trojan horse.

Anyway, nukes are no longer scary as we find them to be in the past. Japan had been nuked thrice and the Japanese are still surviving?

Therefore I do not believe that nukes can prevent wars. 7 centuries ago, the mongols burnt down entire cities along with the people in them for not surrendering, and yet there are others that still would not surrender. It is said that 300,000 people in Moscow were slaughtered. That was the equivalent of nukes of today.


Meanwhile, more news on Spratly.

For those of you who do not know where the Spratly is, here is the map.

If China is claiming Spratly, I hope Singapore will also claim Spratly, because as you can see, the distance is about the same.




http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/07...esson%E2%80%99

China hardliners to teach Spratly intruders ‘a lesson’


Hardliners in the Chinese Military Academy are raring to teach China’s neighbors “a lesson” for intruding into the South China Sea, which they consider part of their national territory, a Chinese Southeast Asian expert said.


Shen Hong-Fang, professor and senior research fellow at the Center of Southeast Asian studies at Xiamen University, spoke of “a new upsurge” of Chinese nationalism set off by claims made by some Asian countries, including the Philippines, over territory China considers its own.
“Some suggested that it is the right time to adopt necessary measures to teach some countries a lesson,” Shen said, startling participants at the two-day Conference on the South China Sea held in Manila last week.



She added there are those who think it justifiable “for China to launch a war against the invaders.”


The Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia have staked claims over some of the 160 islands that constitute the Spratlys in the South China Sea. These countries, along with Indonesia which is a non-claimant, have filed protests before the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf (CLCS) over the “nine-dash line map” China submitted to prove its claim.



That map practically covers the whole of the South China Sea and encroaches over the 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone of some its neighbors, the Philippines included.


Brunei and Taiwan are also claiming parts of the Spratlys.


In its note verbale last April 14, China accused the Philippines of having “started to invade and occupy some islands and reefs of China’s Nansha (Spratly) Islands.”
Asked by Paranaque Rep. Roilo Golez about the role of the Chinese Military Academy in the leadership’s decisions, Shen said it is “a very influential group. “
The Chinese Military Academy, formally known as the Academy of Military Sciences (AMS), is the highest-level research institute and center of military sciences of the People’s Liberation Army which is a major force in the Chinese government.


A Philippine diplomat who requested anonymity said Shen would not be making such strong statements without the approval of the Chinese government.
Shen reiterated previous declarations of Chinese officials that the South China Sea is a “core interest,” just like Tibet and Taiwan.


She quoted a published statement by Han Xudong, an army colonel and a professor at the PLA’s National Defense University (NDU), that “China’s comprehensive national strength especially in military capabilities is not yet enough to safeguard all of the core national interests.”


Golez expressed concern over what China would do “if their ‘national strength especially in military capabilities’ would be enough to take care of all core national interests.”


Shen also quoted another NDU professor, Zhang Zhongzhao, as saying that “the best time of solving the territory disputes has already passed” and that “diplomatic negotiations alone cannot solve the problem.”


She described Zhang as “a well-known military theorist,” and further quoted him saying that to defend national sovereignty, the Chinese should have the “courage to use the sword if it is really needed.”


Shen said the Chinese government is under public pressure to stand firm on the South China Sea. “If China lost more territory to foreign states, the national honor would be under attack and the people and the army would question the legitimacy of the government,” she said.


“It is of utmost importance that the government is not considered by people or the army as internally or externally weak which in turn could have severe political consequences,” she added.


Included in Shen’s recommendations to ease tension in the South China Sea is joint exploration in disputed areas. The Philippines already took this step during the term of former president Gloria Macapagal Arroyo when it started a Joint Marine Seismic Undertaking (JMSU) with China and Vietnam, which was completed in 2008. At least 70 percent of the coverage of the JMSU is in areas claimed by the Philippines. The constitutionality of the agreement is being questioned in the Supreme Court.


The Manila SCS conference was organized by the Foreign Service Institute of the Department of Foreign Affairs, the National Defense College of the Philippines and the Development Academy of Vietnam.

[c1ue]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

But you miss the point, they ARE good at getting others, particularly the young and impressionable, to do just that! Pakistan even more so.

Sending off your own young men to die in conflict isn't the same thing as staring down the barrel of a nuke yourself.

Do you really doubt that leadership will not be among the first targets in a nuclear conflict?

You assume that Ahmadinejad will be in power forever. Regime change happen all the time in the Middle East, and the tendency is for a more radical or fundamentalist regime with each change.

Since you do not live in a dictatorship, you may not understand the mentality of dictatorships - they value their power more than the lives of their family and even their own lives.

Gaddafi is a good example of a madman who will use nukes on Europe if he had one.

Gaddafi is a big mouth who says all sorts of wacky stuff.

And let's note: would NATO be able to bomb the crap out of Libya at will if Libya had a half dozen nuclear weapons with a short or intermediate range delivery system?

Let's not forget that Libya and Gaddafi were being praised and awarded as recently as 6 months ago. Look in the Libya threads to see pics of him shaking hands with various European leaders including Sarkozy.

While I am the last person to say Gaddafi is a wonderful human being, the reality is that he is being attacked at least in part because he lacks the means to defend himself and his country.

[FRED]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

You're really not being honest here. The number of Jews involved with the power elite is vastly disproportionate to their absolute numbers.

You will no doubt disagree but you are displaying a pattern of prejudicial comments that is neither in the spirit of iTulip nor related to the topic of this thread.

Over the years we have learned that there is nothing to be gained by attempting to educate the uneducable about race and culture.

Any additional off-topic posts here will be deleted.

You are welcome to start a new thread on the Rant and Rave forum on the topic of race, ethnicity, and culture and perhaps other members will attempt to teach you more about it.

As a starting point consider the following data.

Median household income 2009 (US Census)
White: $70,000
Asian: $90,000

[Sharky]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

At the present moment, Saudi Arabia and Iran are run being by rational thinking governments, so even if they got the bomb, no one is going to use it.

Iran's government is rational? It's a theocracy; the very definition of irrational.

You assume that Ahmadinejad will be in power forever. Regime change happen all the time in the Middle East, and the tendency is for a more radical or fundamentalist regime with each change.

Ahmadinejad is really more of a figurehead than anything else. He certainly isn't the real seat of power.

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

As nutty as Ahmadinejad or whoever may be, it has yet to be demonstrated that they are suicidal.

You assume that Ahmadinejad will be in power forever. Regime change happen all the time in the Middle East, and the tendency is for a more radical or fundamentalist regime with each change.

Since you do not live in a dictatorship, you may not understand the mentality of dictatorships - they value their power more than the lives of their family and even their own lives.

Gaddafi is a good example of a madman who will use nukes on Europe if he had one.

I'm not saying that something needs to be done, never mind that it is already too late for something to be done. Anyway, this is a Middle East problem. Life continues in the rest of the world even if the Middle East goes up in flames.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-attack-europe

Muammar Gaddafi has threatened to send hundreds of Libyans to launch attacks in Europe in revenge for the Nato-led military campaign against him.

In a speech on Libyan television the Libyan leader said: "Hundreds of Libyans will martyr in Europe. I told you it is eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. But we will give them a chance to come to their senses."

The Canary Islands, Sicily, other Mediterranean islands as well as Andalusia in southern Spain were Arab lands that should be liberated, he said.

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

But you miss the point, they ARE good at getting others, particularly the young and impressionable, to do just that! Pakistan even more so.

Like pak military hoarding OBL and saudi financing him? Talking about being caught with pants down. :|

Outsourcing is popular nowadays, even for military ops and .... cyberops. The US also uses contractors.

Wars are fought through proxies but that doesn't make them less damaging.

[Chris Coles]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

As nutty as Ahmadinejad or whoever may be, it has yet to be demonstrated that they are suicidal.

But you miss the point, they ARE good at getting others, particularly the young and impressionable, to do just that! Pakistan even more so.

[c1ue]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

I was struck by the recent report on BBC Newsnight that stated Pakistan had 160 Nukes and is building 16 every year. Not a wonder that many are becoming nervous about the instability of such nations.

What exactly is the offensive benefit of nukes?

You can't take over a country using nukes - you can only destroy it.

Nukes, however, make invading a nation completely impractical.

As Israel has nukes - I am continually amazed by the ongoing meme that Iran would destroy Israel if Iran had nukes.

As nutty as Ahmadinejad or whoever may be, it has yet to be demonstrated that they are suicidal.

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

Um, that's been happening for years in Hong Kong.

I still find plenty of old buildings in Hong Kong. It is for this reason why some will find the US looking like third world when they come to Singapore, because anything older than 10-15 years old is being torn down and rebuilt. Entire roads are being re-tarred all the time to make them look brand new.

I was struck by the recent report on BBC Newsnight that stated Pakistan had 160 Nukes and is building 16 every year. Not a wonder that many are becoming nervous about the instability of such nations.

You're starting to connect the dots, welcome to the New World Order, but UK is very far from the Middle East, and the technology required to make nukes the size of soft drink cans and smuggle through the ports and airports will not exist for at least 60 years. This will be a problem for the Middle East.

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

I am very weak on my world history, but I think the U.S.S.R and China have their own "slavers and colonizer" past, and
not so distant past. I guess all politcos are the same aren't they?

Much of the atrocities committed by the original "Han race" had probably been lost in history or even undocumented, but just to indicate the amount of colonization through the ages, the origin Han kingdom was only so big, barely the size of Taiwan today.

ca. 2070 BC–ca. 1600 BC


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xia_Dyn...ly_development

[Verrocchio]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

Speaking of new buildings, no country or city can beat Singapore, where buildings just 10 years old are being demolished and replaced with new ones.

Um, that's been happening for years in Hong Kong.

[charliebrown]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

I am very weak on my world history, but I think the U.S.S.R and China have their own "slavers and colonizer" past, and
not so distant past. I guess all politcos are the same aren't they?

[Chris Coles]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

If Iran creates the nuclear bomb and the other Arab countries also want a bomb for themselves, what will happen? At the present moment, Saudi Arabia and Iran are run being by rational thinking governments, so even if they got the bomb, no one is going to use it. But what happens in the future, say 20 years down the road, if someone like Gaddafi or Saddam Husein seizes control? Mad people that would even sacrifice their own family members to maintain control.?

I was struck by the recent report on BBC Newsnight that stated Pakistan had 160 Nukes and is building 16 every year. Not a wonder that many are becoming nervous about the instability of such nations.

[touchring]

Re: The Next Ten Years – Part I: There will be blood - Eric Janszen

What will be the West's response?
If they bomb Iran what will be China's response?

How much oil do the Chinese get from Iran?

My take is that China is not capable nor willing to make a military response, but can surely make a tactical economic response, e.g. order banks and corps not to do lend or do business with the culprit country, etc.

At the end of the day, $$$ talks. I'm sure there is plenty of behind the scene negotiating and "arm twisting" that we do not know.

If Iran creates the nuclear bomb and the other Arab countries also want a bomb for themselves, what will happen? At the present moment, Saudi Arabia and Iran are run being by rational thinking governments, so even if they got the bomb, no one is going to use it. But what happens in the future, say 20 years down the road, if someone like Gaddafi or Saddam Husein seizes control? Mad people that would even sacrifice their own family members to maintain control.

So ultimately who will pay for the price of the "Age of the Greed" that Krugman talked about?