The worst rhyme of Great Depression history

[we_are_toast]

Re: The worst rhyme of Great Depression history

Hmmmm,

If a 25% unemployment rate doesn’t light a fire under behinds of a population struggling to survive in an economy brought to its knees by the excesses of an unregulated financial class, what will?

The author goes on to say that building a viable third party to restore democracy to America requires that Progressive intellectuals—Libertarians in modern parlance—roll up their pant legs, climb down from the Ivory Tower, and wade into the gutter of American politics.

Libertarians as the solution to an "economy brought to it's knees by the excesses of an unregulated financial class"? I don't think so! The current crises has been brought to you by the "get government off your back" crowd.

If there is a successful 3rd party movement, it won't originate from the drum beaters of Libertarianism. It'll come from the Democrats and Republicans who fully understand how corrupting the money in the political system has become, and who realize how desperate our current situation is. They will be people who have already left office or who are willing to lose their jobs in an effort to save a democracy.

But they will be confronted with a country that decades ago "entered a new dark age of unreason". There is no hope to present a rational argument to a population that thrives on conspiracy theories, is incapable of distinguishing opinion from factual information, and rejects it's responsibility to be informed citizens in preference to becoming entertained citizens.

Once again we will need to put our future in the hands, of what we can only hope will be a benevolent group of people, who will than go forward and mislead the general population into believing their actions will benefit the selfish interests of each individual citizen.

[D-Mack]

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Does anybody have a subscription to the Nation and articles by Hallgren?

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...um=1&scoring=a


It sounds to me he liked what he saw.

The Roosevelt Legislative Record
Mauritz A. Hallgren.
In analyzing the legislation to emerge during the New Deal's first hundred days, the author says, "whether or not we agree with its every detail," the Administration's legislative record "must be considered an astounding performance" (June 28, 1933).
http://www.thenation.com/classroom/p...red_days.mhtml

BOOK NOTES

September 21, 1935, Saturday

Section: SOCIAL NEWS BOOKS, Page 13, 186 words

Mauritz A. Hallgren, former associate editor of The Nation and Washington correspondent, has written a study of Franklin D. Roosevelt's career as President in relation to American capitalism. He calls his book "The Gay Reformer: Profits Before Plenty Under Franklin D. Roosevelt."

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstra...82D85F418385F9

[metalman]

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Does anybody have a subscription to the Nation and articles by Hallgren?

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...um=1&scoring=a


It sounds to me he liked what he saw.

'the american mercury' was edited by hl mencen and published by knopf.

he ran a full range of writers, left to right.

ej/itulip reminds me of mencken... w/o the racism & elitism.

[vinoveri]

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the perpetuation of the status quo is greatly faciliated by our schooling system, and I'm talking about grammar school through college.

Our children in schools our indoctrinated into the status quo culture and are fed so many half-truths, relativistic ethics, and very little history. They are taught to sit in a chair for 6 or 7 hours and take direction from someone else; it's no wonder many are primed for the 9-5 life of employment.

Are their curricula in middle and high school directed toward natural rights, self reliance, and personal responsibility? Whatever happened to logic and rhetoric as core disciplines. Thinking and communicating, why would we need that.:rolleyes:

Our culture run by big government and big business wants "skilled labor" to tend the businesses of the rich and pay taxes, period.

We home-school our four children, and now more than ever I am more firmly committed to it. I'm going to do my best to establish some sort of family business my family can all participate in, create and produce as man is intended to, and hopefully prevent mine from being forced into a life mediocrity, assembly-line wage slavery. The object of liberty is life (GKC).

[Jim Nickerson]

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the perpetuation of the status quo is greatly faciliated by our schooling system, and I'm talking about grammar school through college.

Our children in schools our indoctrinated into the status quo culture and are fed so many half-truths, relativistic ethics, and very little history. They are taught to sit in a chair for 6 or 7 hours and take direction from someone else; it's no wonder many are primed for the 9-5 life of employment.

Are their curricula in middle and high school directed toward natural rights, self reliance, and personal responsibility? Whatever happened to logic and rhetoric as core disciplines. Thinking and communicating, why would we need that.:rolleyes:

Our culture run by big government and big business wants "skilled labor" to tend the businesses of the rich and pay taxes, period.

We home-school our four children, and now more than ever I am more firmly committed to it. I'm going to do my best to establish some sort of family business my family can all participate in, create and produce as man is intended to, and hopefully prevent mine from being forced into a life mediocrity, assembly-line wage slavery. The object of liberty is life (GKC).

You might consider adding science to the first highlight, and note too that with what has been a historical prevalence of theistic religions in this country, the indoctrination of youngsters from well before formal schooling age, they are seemingly quite often indoctrinated with religion, which requires the absence of a questioning mind to accept without any reservations. With that background for so many, why should an absence of critical thinking come as a surprise.

Life in any organism is a happenstance. Man for whatever reasons evolved with the ability at times to think and contrive. Liberty is a contrivance, a notion. Liberty might add, and probably does/should add, to the quality of life, but unchecked liberty leads to the demeaning of life in a populated society.

[orion]

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Until we can gut Goldman Sachs and their ilk (who seem to contribute to both parties and probably own all candidates), we will have no change unless the sheeple wake up, but then the wouldn't be sheeple (anyway most don't pay any taxes so what do they care!?!). :mad::mad::mad:

All systems should be built with reset buttons included. This is the only fault I can find with Founding Fathers, they didn't invision the blue screen of death.

[Willette]

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There won't be a third party for the same reason that there isn't even a real second party: power has been consolidated. There is only the Incumbency Party, funded by campaign contributions from the Nomenklatura. The Founders idea of "Separation of Powers" has been buried. The only serious disagreement within the Washington beltway is over the division of the loot.

The USA will be economically neutered, and we will get our long-prepared One World Government, compliments of the world's Super Wealthy.

[icm63]

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Well then stop complaining, get off your arse , get on TV and make you point to the masses! Become a senator, do something rather than counting your gold coins.

I cant I am 12000 miles away !

[Jim Nickerson]

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Readers who remain hopeful that a drawn-out economic crisis will motivate the American people to action to end the financial oligarchy rule that led us down our road to ruin, who pray for a restoration of the U.S. to a vibrant multi-party democratic system, may want to skip over this post.

It is a major question as to just what will bring about a change of the currently oligarchal US system of politics.

My answer has been to kill off all the bastards, as unrealistic as that may seem or in actualilty is. I've yet to see any other serious solutions offered, and I note EJ did not offer his opinion.

Without something forcing a change in US politics, I think change is hopeless. Question is what could force a change?

Most recently there seems to be an uprising against the "system" in Honduras with the milatary physically escorting the president over to Costa Rica. The problem with such a change in the US is that I do not believe the Air Force has enough planes, and the Army and Marines enough men to roundup and shipout all the miscreants that need to be ridded from the US.

[Beavus]

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um... what inspired you to collect 60 yr old mags to scan and publish on the internet 10 yrs later?

To prevent them going down the memory tube.

How much history is re-writen on or because of the internet?

[bpwoods]

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Martyn Turner. Irish Times cartoonist.

[Willette]

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So I take it you (ICM63) have everything under control down there in OZ? I am a 61 year old man of no particular wealth or influence. I've spent the past 30 years working against the trend - it took me the first 30 to figure out what was going on! It has only gotten worse. Maybe we've slowed them down a little - it's hard to tell.

[cindykimlisa]

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You can't beat those guys

So why not join em or plan your strategy around their strategy.

[rj1]

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The author goes on to say that building a viable third party to restore democracy to America requires that Progressive intellectuals—Libertarians in modern parlance—roll up their pant legs, climb down from the Ivory Tower, and wade into the gutter of American politics.

What do you think?

A good description of what La Follette was (rolling up their sleeves and going into the gutter of American politics, I mean this in a good way).

Americans hate libertarians. We'll never win anything. And rightly or wrongly, popular perception is we're at fault for the recession.

This could just be me being crazy, but the only potential 3rd party I see out there is if the Blue Dogs splintered off and formed a Southern/Midwestern/Rocky Mountain populist party.

The way the politics to me look now is that we're in 1933, 1934. The Republicans then, as now, were entirely irrelevant. And Franklin Roosevelt had to head off an intransigent intra-party challenge from a Louisiana senator named Huey Long.

The Republicans I think are losing in 2012. They are leaderless and what contenders they have are either discredited (Palin), caught with Argentinian mistresses (Sanford), from the wrong part of the country (Barbour), a cheap gimmick (Jindal) or retreads (Romney). Even if things get worse than they are now and Obama's solutions have largely failed, the Republicans offer to fix things by doing...what? Bush's presidency and their core supporters have harmed them long-term just like Hoover's did in 1932. And let me mention here that Republicans hate libertarians too. The only libertarian thing about Republicans is low taxes.

So Obama is not going to have to worry about the Republicans in 2012 regardless of his performance. But who could become Obama's Huey Long? And will this Huey Long come from right of Obama or left of Obama? Huey Long-type candidacies over time could be seen with George Wallace and Ross Perot.

[cjppjc]

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Americans hate libertarians. We'll never win anything. And rightly or wrongly, popular perception is we're at fault for the recession.

This could just be me being crazy, but the only potential 3rd party I see out there is if the Blue Dogs splintered off and formed a Southern/Midwestern/Rocky Mountain populist party.

The way the politics to me look now is that we're in 1933, 1934. The Republicans then, as now, were entirely irrelevant. And Franklin Roosevelt had to head off an intransigent intra-party challenge from a Louisiana senator named Huey Long.

The Republicans I think are losing in 2012. They are leaderless and what contenders they have are either discredited (Palin), caught with Argentinian mistresses (Sanford), from the wrong part of the country (Barbour), a cheap gimmick (Jindal) or retreads (Romney). Even if things get worse than they are now and Obama's solutions have largely failed, the Republicans offer to fix things by doing...what? Bush's presidency and their core supporters have harmed them long-term just like Hoover's did in 1932. And let me mention here that Republicans hate libertarians too. The only libertarian thing about Republicans is low taxes.

So Obama is not going to have to worry about the Republicans in 2012 regardless of his performance. But who could become Obama's Huey Long? And will this Huey Long come from right of Obama or left of Obama? Huey Long-type candidacies over time could be seen with George Wallace and Ross Perot.

I would remind you that an Obama v McCain final didn't look very likely in 2005.