Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

[LargoWinch]

Gotta love Glenn...like a Teddy Bear!

[Tulpen]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

A blessing to see that at least one person in Washington is honest about what is going on. Surely there will be elements in society who hope not more people in Washington start to voice thoughts like Ron Paul does.

Hopefully we are not going to get the news he gets some unexpected heart attack or strange car accident.....

[marvenger]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

gotto love Ron. Love it how he so casually says the system is going down and we don't know if the new system will be a free or a totalitarian system.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist I guess, seems too convenient to have the current farce of a white administration in there allowing the big bankers to do what ever they want. i guess it could also just be the natural result of finance just becoming more and more powerful, even the government knows who their master is. Conspiracy or no conspiracy the bottom line is the financiers have way too much power!

[tombat1913]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

gotto love Ron. Love it how he so casually says the system is going down and we don't know if the new system will be a free or a totalitarian system.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist I guess, seems too convenient to have the current farce of a white administration in there allowing the big bankers to do what ever they want. i guess it could also just be the natural result of finance just becoming more and more powerful, even the government knows who their master is. Conspiracy or no conspiracy the bottom line is the financiers have way too much power!

Heres some ammo:

"The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy."
- Woodrow Wilson

"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt (in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House)

"The Order's working and involvement in is immense. The real rulers in Washington - Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter (1882-1965) - 1952

"I believe that if the people of this nation fully understood what Congress has done to them of the past 49 years, they would move on , they would not wait for an election… It adds up to a preconceived plan to destroy the economic and social independence of the United States"
-Senator George Malone of 1957, while speaking of the Federal Reserve

"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States
- Barry Goldwater, U.S Senator 1964

"A presidential candidate may be "drafted" in response to 'around popular demand,' but it is well known that his name may be decided upon by half a dozen men sitting ... around a table in a hotel room."
- Edward Bernays, "Propaganda" Pg.71 in 1928"


"The real menace to our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over the city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen. At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as the International bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually runs the government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties. It seizes in its long and powerful tentacles our executive officers, our legislative bodies, our schools, our courts, our newspapers, and every agency created for public protection."
- John Hylan, 1922, Mayor of (1918-1925)

"The Rockefeller File is not fiction. It is a compact, powerful and frightening presentation of what may be the most important story of our lifetime - the drive of the Rockefellers and their allies to create a one-world government combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.......not one has dared reveal the most vital part of the Rockefeller story: that the Rockefellers and their allies have, for at least fifty years, been carefully following a plan to use their economic power to gain political control of first America, and then the rest of the world. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent"
-Congressman Larry P. McDonald


"[David Rockefeller is the] unelected if indisputable chairman of the American establishment...Rockefeller sits at the hub of a vast network of financiers, industrialists, and politicians whose reach encircles the globe.... What some critics see as a vast international conspiracy, he considers a circumstance of life, just another day's work."
- Journalist Bill Moyers

If all of that isn't sufficient, here it is straight from the source.

"Some even believe we are a part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it."
- David Rockefeller from his book, David Rockefeller: Memoirs.

Conspiracy: Yup
Theory: Not so much

[marvenger]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

I enjoyed and was horrified by the simplicity of the last two quotes. I really think Moyers said it best, it's that bloody simple. This is why I don't like capitalism ideology; rockefeller is the end result; consistent efforts to increase economic gain and control doesn't result in some fairyland balanced economic system, it results in rockefeller. I've heard stories of the rockefellers trying to chip everyone with ID info and and their bank account and if you try something outside of the rules your chip gets turned off. To me this is the end result of capitalism idealogy. capitalism has it's place but there's also other ism's more along altruistic lines to mix in the melting pot too.

[D-Mack]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

He only back paddled a bit on 911, but overall Paul is one of the most honest ones.

[Jim Nickerson]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

He only back paddled a bit on 911, but overall Paul is one of the most honest ones.

Is "most honest" sort of like "most sterile"? Something is either sterile or it isn't. Is not consideration of honesty due the same rigorous definition as sterility?

[D-Mack]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

Is "most honest" sort of like "most sterile"? Something is either sterile or it isn't. Is not consideration of honesty due the same rigorous definition as sterility?

Sorry, English is not my mother-tongue, but even McCain called him "most honest"

Maybe I should have said something like, Ron Paul is saying the truth most of the time or something in that direction.

Known for drawing a hard line based on a strict interpretation of the Constitution, fiscal responsibility and libertarian ideology, Ron Paul is considered somewhat of a maverick - once described by current opponent John McCain as "the most honest man in Congress."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-tr...u_b_71108.html

[Jim Nickerson]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

Sorry, English is not my mother-tongue, but even McCain called him "most honest"

Maybe I should have said something like, Ron Paul is saying the truth most of the time or something in that direction.

I don't recognize your written English as suggesting it isn't your mother-tongue, though there are many posts here probably by individuals born here and schooled here who don't write as well as you. See even McCain made the same error.

What does it say about the rest of the dumb, crazed, mf'ers who govern this country if Paul comes closest to the standard of honesty?

[sadsack]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

I don't recognize your written English as suggesting it isn't your mother-tongue, though there are many posts here probably by individuals born here and schooled here who don't write as well as you. See even McCain made the same error.

What does it say about the rest of the dumb, crazed, mf'ers who govern this country if Paul comes closest to the standard of honesty?

That they are at best pathological liars and at worst narcissistic, delusional psychotics ?

Wait a minute, all I just did was rephrase what you just said

[marvenger]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

i think by most honest he means he's the only guy in congress where you get the feeling he wants to serve in the best interests of the american people rather than himself. Life doesn't afford black and white definitions of honesty, but you can generally sense if someone is serving others or self on the whole.

[tombat1913]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

This is absolutely not a result of free market capitalism! Economics and capitalism will exist as long as people exist, it is our allowance of manipulation of the free market which got us where we are today.

[tombat1913]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

What does it say about the rest of the dumb, crazed, mf'ers who govern this country if Paul comes closest to the standard of honesty?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to share an example or two where Ron Paul was dishonest Jim.

More important, as it is the sworn oath of congress to uphold the constitution, perhaps somebody could share an example of Ron Paul voting unconstitutionally.

[Jim Nickerson]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

Perhaps you would be so kind as to share an example or two where Ron Paul was dishonest Jim.

More important, as it is the sworn oath of congress to uphold the constitution, perhaps somebody could share an example of Ron Paul voting unconstitutionally.

tombat, I don't have one example on him or any other elected official. My cynical opinion is that once people get into positions of power, that power corrupts--purely opinion. From time to time, some do get caught and if one believes in the judicial system, then convictions suggests there are crooked politicians.

I fail to see where swearing an oath to anything makes one honest or insures compliance, and I think it is naive to believe that placing one's hand on any book deemed holy and reciting words insures that subsequent actions are consistent with that oath, whatever the oath.

It's a poor argument, but if McCain says Paul is most honest, it to me implies something less that "honest" and you and anyone can debate what that means. The only way I could know whether Paul is honest would be to ask him, and if he replied in the affirmative, then the burden would be mine to accept or reject his answer. Voting is one thing, what goes on between lobbyists, campaign contributors, and elected officials is another.

Basically politicians are interested in two things: their own welfare and getting re-elected, and I think in that order. Personally were I into politics either Kucinich or Paul had the most appeal, but I guess how they fared in the races indicates the average American's interest in the possibility of serious change in how the country operates.

[jimmygu3]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

Anyone else find it ironic that there's an ad for a southern California real estate agent at the end?