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  • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

    Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
    I hurt a lot too as my TA and sentiment analysis failed me in the last several weeks.

    Regarding AA and II sentiments, the AAII bullratio 4-weak average (0.28) is lowest since 1990. The II bull ratio is lowest since 1995 (0.33). The AAII stock allocation is near 50%, comparable to second half of 2002, and cash allocation is over 35%, again, comparable with 2002 lows. The CBOE PC ratios are high as expected in market extremes. Also, VIX was the highest since 1987, Rydex sentiment lowest in 8 years. The could be a few more days of selling, but this has to be close to the end.

    The last several days of heavy selling were most likely caused by margin calls and failing hedge funds liquidating leveraged positions in a hurry. The rumor has it that several large funds folded recently.
    The below chart showing high correlation between oil and stock index shows it well, normally those show inverse correlation:


    I'm not saying that this is THE bottom in general equities, but likely an immediate low. It could be possible THE bottom in miners and energy stocks as those suffered a double blow from falling stocks and commodities at the same time. This where I'm currently invested for the record, but obviously started buiding positions a few weeks early. I also started some positions in nasdaq, small US stocks, and emerging markets and phased out most gold (except for some physical holdings). I hope that gold will go down to rebuild positions at some point.
    Nice commentary, jacek. Are you quoting some source with the II and AAII comments above, or are they from your own data? If the latter, are you willing to provide me, free of charge, with the AA and II data as far back as you have it?

    Based on some deep sense of gloom that has pervaded my being in the past week, I am NOT so sure "this has to be close to the end" of the current down blast. We are into to a place that I have certainly not been before, and my attitude is if blow offs in parabolic moves up can occur, and they definitely happen, why should it be any different on the downside?

    Here is a snippet I got this weekend from jk that came from Jesses crossroads, sorry I don't have the link, and I don't know exactly what day it was written--really piss poor of me to put up such tripe.

    This is something going around the trading desks. Suddenly tightening margin credit is a precipitant to artificially steep market declines as those students of the Crash of 1929 will well remember. That is something one does on the upside of a potential asset bubble, not in the decline.

    If this is true, then there is an obvious need for the Fed to step in and provide credit relief even if on high rates, moreso than propping up a few banks by buying their worthless assets at above market prices.

    Forced margin selling because of arbitrary private bank policies is going to create a major problem in the financial markets, leading to a greater concentration of wealth.

    The selling has reached historic proportions. There literally is a "run on the market," as investors worldwide are dumping stocks.

    It seems that the major catalyst for this selling is the fact that the newest large banks primarily J. P. Morgan, Goldman Sachs, and possibly Morgan Stanley as well -- have issued massive margin calls to hedge funds and other professional traders who use these banks as prime brokers.

    These calls were not issued because of market losses, but more because the banks arbitrarily decided that they wanted their customers to use less leverage. Margin rates as low as 15% for broker dealers were raised to 35%; hedge funds who had been used to operating on high leverage were told that they had to bring accounts up to a much larger percentage of equity.

    In this illiquid environment, where all manor of exotic securities literally have no bids, the only place to raise the cash to meet margin calls was to sell stock. That is what really set this market over the edge -- as the first notice of these calls were issued on October 2nd and 3rd.

    There was something of a grace period to meet the calls, but funds realized they weren't going to be able to meet them other than by selling stock. There are rumors that the most massive of the calls are due Monday (October 13th). If so, this market could continue to decline through then.
    I don't know who wrote that quote, and I don't know if the writer actually knows shit from shinola about what he wrote. It seems to me that there is critically important information in that quote, and were it true and capable of making it onto some website, why wouldn't it make it somewhere into the mainstream financial news?
    Jim 69 y/o

    "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

    Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

    Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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    • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

      Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
      I hurt a lot too as my TA and sentiment analysis failed me in the last several weeks.

      Regarding AA and II sentiments, the AAII bullratio 4-weak average (0.28) is lowest since 1990. The II bull ratio is lowest since 1995 (0.33). The AAII stock allocation is near 50%, comparable to second half of 2002, and cash allocation is over 35%, again, comparable with 2002 lows. The CBOE PC ratios are high as expected in market extremes. Also, VIX was the highest since 1987, Rydex sentiment lowest in 8 years. The could be a few more days of selling, but this has to be close to the end.

      The last several days of heavy selling were most likely caused by margin calls and failing hedge funds liquidating leveraged positions in a hurry. The rumor has it that several large funds folded recently.
      The below chart showing high correlation between oil and stock index shows it well, normally those show inverse correlation:


      I'm not saying that this is THE bottom in general equities, but likely an immediate low. It could be possible THE bottom in miners and energy stocks as those suffered a double blow from falling stocks and commodities at the same time. This where I'm currently invested for the record, but obviously started buiding positions a few weeks early. I also started some positions in nasdaq, small US stocks, and emerging markets and phased out most gold (except for some physical holdings). I hope that gold will go down to rebuild positions at some point.
      jacek,

      I just did this on my AAII Bulls data. Middle colum is weekly reading of bulls.

      05/30/0846.3
      06/06/0831.4
      06/13/0843.54-week avg
      06/13/0831.338.1
      06/20/0833.034.8
      06/27/0831.334.8
      07/03/0823.929.9
      07/11/0822.227.6
      07/18/0825.025.6
      07/25/0835.826.7
      08/01/0840.030.8
      08/08/0835.634.1
      08/15/0842.938.6
      08/22/0838.139.2
      08/29/0830.736.8
      09/05/0837.037.2
      09/12/0829.333.8
      09/19/0827.231.1
      09/26/0834.031.9
      10/03/0833.331.0
      10/10/0831.531.5


      Unless there is an error(s) in my data, which I am failing to see, then what you reported about the 4-weak [sic] avg. being the lowest since 1990 is not correct. It was lower in this table in July and even lower at times in March this year.

      I'll reiterate, there are too many bulls right now to demonstrate anything like an aversion to owning stocks.

      Immediate edit: I think I was misunderstanding what jacek wrote. If he meant the ratio of bulls to bears, then he may be very correct. I'm checking it.

      Second edit: No, I don't think that ratio is anything like .28 avg for the last 4 weeks. It is more like 0.59, so I have no idea where the .28 average is coming from.
      Last edited by Jim Nickerson; October 11, 2008, 10:19 PM.
      Jim 69 y/o

      "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

      Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

      Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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      • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

        Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
        Immediate edit: I think I was misunderstanding what jacek wrote. If he meant the ratio of bulls to bears, then he may be very correct. I'm checking it.

        Second edit: No, I don't think that ratio is anything like .28 avg for the last 4 weeks. It is more like 0.59, so I have no idea where the .28 average is coming from.
        Yes, this is about the bull/bear ratio averaged (not sure the exact calculation). This is from a commercial source (copyrighted). I will send you a PM.

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        • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

          Originally posted by friendly_jacek View Post
          Yes, this is about the bull/bear ratio averaged (not sure the exact calculation). This is from a commercial source (copyrighted). I will send you a PM.
          Thanks for the reply and the graph in your PM, but that does not resolve the issue for me, and I hope you too, and any others that have an interest in sentiment indications.

          Below are data that I believe to be correct, but cannot check them against the AAII database.

          4-WK AVG
          BULLSBEARSBulls-BearsOF BU-BRCORRECTION
          12/07/0740.739.80.9019.5
          12/14/0747.635.711.9016.6
          12/21/0735.947.2-11.3017.0
          12/28/0730.050.0-20.00-4.6320.0
          01/04/0825.755.2-29.50-12.2319.1
          01/11/0819.658.9-39.30-25.0321.5
          01/18/0824.354.4-30.10-29.7321.3
          01/25/0825.159.0-33.90-33.2015.9
          02/01/0830.148.9-18.80-30.5321.1
          02/08/0834.147.2-13.10-23.9818.7
          02/15/0833.341.9-8.60-18.6024.8
          02/22/0833.244.7-11.50-13.0022.1
          02/29/0834.345.3-11.00-11.0520.4
          03/07/0822.051.7-29.70-15.2026.4
          03/14/0820.459.2-38.80-22.7520.4
          03/20/0825.254.3-29.10-27.1520.5
          03/28/0841.633.68.00-22.4024.8
          04/04/0836.739.4-2.70-15.6523.9
          04/11/0845.837.38.50-3.8317.0
          04/18/0830.448.7-18.30-1.1320.9
          04/25/0846.727.519.201.6825.8
          05/02/0853.326.327.009.1020.4
          05/09/0852.824.728.1014.0022.5
          05/16/0845.229.715.5022.4525.2
          05/23/0846.334.312.0020.6519.4
          05/30/0831.445.8-14.4010.3022.9
          06/06/0843.538.05.504.6518.5
          06/13/0831.353.6-22.30-4.8015.2
          06/20/0833.045.7-12.70-10.9821.3
          06/27/0831.352.3-21.00-12.6316.5
          07/03/0823.952.1-28.20-21.0523.9
          07/11/0822.255.2-33.00-23.7322.7
          07/18/0825.058.1-33.10-28.8316.9
          07/25/0835.844.0-8.20-25.6320.2
          08/01/0840.041.2-1.20-18.8818.8
          08/08/0835.642.4-6.80-12.3322.0
          08/15/0842.939.03.90-3.0818.2
          08/22/0838.137.30.80-0.8224.6
          08/29/0830.745.5-14.80-4.2323.9
          09/05/0837.043.2-6.20-4.0819.8
          09/12/0829.354.9-25.60-11.4515.9
          09/19/0827.254.4-27.20-18.4518.4
          09/26/0834.045.7-11.70-17.6820.2
          10/03/0833.355.0-21.70-21.5511.7
          10/10/0831.560.8-29.30-22.487.7


          I don't know what sort of manipulation your provider of the graph has performed, but the data I put above do not bear out that the AAII is at some sort of historical low, they do not bear out that the sentiment is even at a new yearly low.

          You might question your provider to see if there is not some error it has made.
          Jim 69 y/o

          "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

          Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

          Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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          • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

            I added a minuscule amount to PMPIX (mining shares +150% of underlying index) today mainly because John Hussman has been building up his PM shares allocation in his strategic total return fund.

            Here is an interesting comment on what Ned Davis' Research firm thinks about the current "bottom." From Hulbert's comments on MarketWatch.

            http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...B578964729A%7D

            Hussman's weekly note was also worth my reading time. http://www.hussman.net/wmc/wmc081013.htm
            Jim 69 y/o

            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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            • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

              Hussman is seems to be saying that everything will be all right, that all that's happened thus far is a panic and that valuations are now reasonable.

              I hope he's right, but I also note he failed to mention anything about inflationary impact of all the government money flying around.

              Before I would believe his full story, I'd want to see some treatment of the flood of Treasuries about to strike the bond market.

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                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                Hussman is seems to be saying that everything will be all right, that all that's happened thus far is a panic and that valuations are now reasonable.

                I hope he's right, but I also note he failed to mention anything about inflationary impact of all the government money flying around.

                Before I would believe his full story, I'd want to see some treatment of the flood of Treasuries about to strike the bond market.
                If you read the note, it seemed to me last Thursday he bought some stocks in the HSGFX because of valuations that appealed to his criteria. Hussman looks at long term returns.

                In the smaller fund, HSTRX, he in largely in short US Treasuries, and has allocations to gold and foreign currencies. I keep thinking that the only way to truly separate hot air from how investors really are thinking is to look at what they are doing, because so much talk everywhere is simply bullshit unless you know where the money is invested.
                Jim 69 y/o

                "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

                  Jim,

                  I agree with your sentiment.

                  Being in short term Treasuries is just keeping the powder dry though.

                  Maybe he's in the same train of thought at Dr. Michael Hudson; certainly being in Treasuries has been a good thing up until now both yield and value wise.

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                  • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

                    Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                    If you read the note, it seemed to me last Thursday he bought some stocks in the HSGFX because of valuations that appealed to his criteria. Hussman looks at long term returns.

                    In the smaller fund, HSTRX, he in largely in short US Treasuries, and has allocations to gold and foreign currencies. I keep thinking that the only way to truly separate hot air from how investors really are thinking is to look at what they are doing, because so much talk everywhere is simply bullshit unless you know where the money is invested.
                    To what extent is the current market "rally" due to government "pump in"?

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                    • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

                      Originally posted by strittmatter View Post
                      To what extent is the current market "rally" due to government "pump in"?
                      I have no idea. Markets can get oversold, and with no exceptions about which I know at some point they bounce for what will be ascribed on bubble-vision by the bubble heads as one cause or another, neither of which might have anything to do with the move.

                      It actually makes no difference to me which way or why they move as long as more often than not I am correctly positioned to make money on the move.
                      Jim 69 y/o

                      "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                      Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                      Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                      • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

                        Short update: I couldn't just sit on things in this high opportunity market, because I was itching to get in the game. As of this morning my situation is as follows:
                        ~10% cash
                        ~ 45% in base a diversified package of shorts in: HGG, URBN, BARE, IEO & XOP
                        ~ 45% in base a 0 risk crash-proof currency ETN package (thinking to change that too into a ETN package based on gold and/or platinum, but I still have to do my homework and calculations)

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                          What happened to your GE 45% position? Am I missing something?

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                            Originally posted by LargoWinch View Post
                            What happened to your GE 45% position? Am I missing something?
                            Sold it this morning and converted immediately into shorts. It was just too boring to sit and watch all opportunities flying around. . I'll probably go back there is the market proves to be to hairy. I hate this market. There were good times when a sort term play was to wait a minimum 2-3 weeks until scoring. If this insanity continues I may be forced to become a bloody daytrader.

                            Don;t know how to insert formulas in this board, but:

                            (APHT) x (VIX) =k

                            APHT - average position holding time
                            VIX - volatility
                            k- constant characteristic to the type of investment strategy: k_long_term>k_midterm>k_short_term

                            Really, if my short time play tends toward daytrading, then daytraders become what ? hour traders , minute traders ? :eek:

                            This is insane and surreal.

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                              Originally posted by $#* View Post
                              Sold it this morning and converted immediately into shorts. It was just too boring to sit and watch all opportunities flying around. . I'll probably go back there is the market proves to be to hairy. I hate this market. There were good times when a sort term play was to wait a minimum 2-3 weeks until scoring. If this insanity continues I may be forced to become a bloody daytrader.

                              Don;t know how to insert formulas in this board, but:

                              (APHT) x (VIX) =k

                              APHT - average position holding time
                              VIX - volatility
                              k- constant characteristic to the type of investment strategy: k_long_term>k_midterm>k_short_term

                              Really, if my short time play tends toward daytrading, then daytraders become what ? hour traders , minute traders ? :eek:

                              This is insane and surreal.
                              I'm sticking to put-put on the debt-laden wankers...

                              I've to tell you, though: buying subprime consumer debt co's is a lot of fun on the eve of more nationalization! up, giddy up, NAV!

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                              • Re: HOW ONE iTuliper IS INVESTED?

                                Originally posted by $#* View Post
                                Short update: I couldn't just sit on things in this high opportunity market, because I was itching to get in the game. As of this morning my situation is as follows:
                                ~10% cash
                                ~ 45% in base a diversified package of shorts in: HGG, URBN, BARE, IEO & XOP
                                ~ 45% in base a 0 risk crash-proof currency ETN package (thinking to change that too into a ETN package based on gold and/or platinum, but I still have to do my homework and calculations)
                                Update to the update:
                                ~10% cash
                                ~45% cashed with an average return of 14% (HGG proved to be a real champion ). This part of portfolio is to be invested in a mix of foreign shorts.
                                ~ 45% in the process of moving form a crash-proof ETN package based on currencies to one based on gold. I may get up to 2-3% on this transfer , but anything that is about 1% is just a bonus I'm not counting on.

                                End of the short disclosure period.

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