Trump to win?

[Ellen Z]

Re: Major bone with SF2!

\ Can't figure out how to vote, since neither Trump nor HRC is acceptable to me, even as "least worst".

I'll have to dig up some minor party guy, or write in Sanders.

Polish_Silver, I just tried to send you a private message but your mailbox is full and will not accept additional messages.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

What Republicans can learn from PM Theresa May
...
...The explanation, Mrs. May asserted, is class: “If you’re well off and comfortable, Britain is a different country and these concerns are not your concerns. It’s easy to dismiss them—easy to say that all you want from government is for it to get out of the way.” If the Conservatives are to be the party of ordinary working people, they must take populist concerns onboard without surrendering to the populist agenda—or to its least defensible sentiments.

etc

particularly since the so-called "liberal democrats" here in The US, esp those 'with her' - along with all those that voted for obozo, NOT ONCE, BUT TWICE!

are all F.R.A.U.D.S

while the Deplorables, along with our 'confirmation bias' seems to line up pretty well with this guy:

07 October 2016

Thomas Frank: How the Democratic Party Betrayed and Abandoned the Middle Class

"The Democratic Party has turned its back on working people and now pursues policies that actually increase inequality.

The first piece of evidence is what’s happened since the financial crisis. This is the great story of our time. Inequality has actually gotten worse since then, which is a remarkable thing. This is under a Democratic president who we were assured (or warned) was the most liberal or radical president we would ever see. Yet inequality has gotten worse, and the gains since the financial crisis, since the recovery began, have gone entirely to the top 10 percent of the income distribution.

This is not only because of those 'evil Republicans,' but because Obama played it the way he wanted to. Even when he had a majority in both houses of Congress and could choose whoever he wanted to be in his administration, he consistently made policies that favored the top 10 percent over everybody else. He helped out Wall Street in an enormous way when they were entirely at his mercy.

He could have done anything he wanted with them, in the way that Franklin Roosevelt did in the ’30s. But he chose not to.

Why is that?


Thomas Frank

Posted by Jesse at 2:02 AM

hadnt been by jesse's place much lately (but the reasons to are bubbling up once again, esp THIS one)

glad to see that both HE & Frank also seem to be Deplorable.

[shiny!]

Re: Trump to win?

There is no Trump phenomena. Trump is simply an original entertainer, a carny with flair and he took over a political party that got caught sleeping. He has no policy, his supporters could care less about policy, they just don't want to lose the remnants their white privilege. These are the ancestors of the voters who didn't want to lose their white privilege in 1860. But white privilege is going away quickly. I don't expect y'all to take it well but the rest of us will continue to try and move forward.

It's not about preserving white privilege, but I don't suppose that anything will change your mind. I'm very concerned about Trump's temperament and haven't decided if I will vote for him or not, but I am most definitely not about preserving my so-called white privilege. You want to see how I live? There's nothing privileged about it!

This article pretty much nails the reason for the "Trump phenomena."

I Listened to a Trump Supporter
By David A. Hill, Jr.

I talked at length with a Trump supporter I grew up around. I wanted to understand. I respected her growing up. I wanted to know why a person as kind and compassionate as I remember her is voting for someone like Donald Trump.

She was a family friend, a good person. In rural Ohio, everything was tight. Money, jobs. If you really needed quick cash, she’d put you to work doing landscaping. She’d pay fairly and reliably for the area.

She’s voting for Donald Trump. I disagree with her choice, but I understand why she rejects Clinton so fiercely, and why she’s been swept up in Donald Trump’s particular brand of right-wing populism. I feel that on the left, it’s increasingly easy to ignore these people, to disregard them, to write them off as racists, bigots, or uneducated. I think that’s a loss for everyone involved, and that sometimes listening can help you to at least understand why a person is making the choices they make, so you can work on the root causes. For her, the root cause isn’t racism. In fact, I remember her as one of the only people in the area who proudly hired black workers, in a place where that was a huge issue. She fought over that choice.

But that’s enough background. Let me relay a bit of what she told me.

She’s a person who built her business from the ground up. She wasn’t rich, but was very comfortable for the area. She had a nice house, a nice car, and was stable. She achieved the American dream of not having to struggle. Things changed during the housing crisis. A landscaping business requires customers who need landscaping, and people who don’t own homes just don’t need landscaping. In some of these neighborhoods, one in five people lost their homes. That almost immediately turns a successful landscaping business into a struggling one.

Then there was a domino effect. She couldn’t pay for her lawn-care equipment leases and loans. That hurt her work efficiency. Then, she lost her car. But that didn’t stop the payments. Then, she lost her house. She slowly had to let go all of her employees, until it was just her, hand-mowing lawns for cash the way you might expect a high school student in the summertime.

She told me that every week, it seemed there was another default letter, another foreclosure, another bank demanding more blood from her dry veins. To her, that pile of default notices and demands for payment looked suspiciously similar to Hillary Clinton’s top donor list.

To her, that pile of default notices and demands for payment looked suspiciously similar to Hillary Clinton’s top donor list.

She lost everything she worked so hard for. Obama swore he was going to help. The Wall Street bailout did seem to help Wall Street. But it did absolutely nothing for her. She turns on the news and sees how the Dow Jones is doing better than ever. But that didn’t bring her house and livelihood back. Liberals insist that Obama’s made her life better. But, now she’s driving a car that falls apart randomly while having to pay those same banks for a car she doesn’t own and never will. It’s difficult to convince someone whose life is objectively worse that their life is better. And it’s disengenuous to try. You can break down the specifics, sure. But when someone’s hungry, and you’re busy silencing their complaints by telling them how well world hunger is improving, you’re just going to upset them.

This is not a person who is stupid or racist. She knows Bush caused the economy collapse with his irresponsible tax policies and wars. But she saw liberals as fighting for the banks’ recovery, to hell with her needs. She sees in Hillary someone who celebrates that approach. Who measures US success by the success of multinational mega corporations — corporations who undercut and destroy local businesses. This is a person who grew up in a town with a friendly neighborhood general store, a locally-owned hardware store, farmers’ markets, florists, and auto shops. All of these businesses closed when Walmart moved into town. All their owners now work at that Walmart for a fraction of their previous wages, no benefits, and no hope for something better, something of their own. And now, she sees a free trade supporting former Walmart executive about to come in to office, and it feels like salt in her community’s wounds.

This is a wounded person. Insulting her or continuing to hurt her isn’t going to help. She’s swept up in Trump’s message because she feels someone’s finally listening. Right-wing populism is an awful thing. But desperate people with their backs against the wall will grasp on to whatever they feel will bring a change. Neoliberal capitalism is not sustainable for these people.

This is a wounded person. Insulting her or continuing to hurt her isn’t going to help. She’s swept up in Trump’s message because she feels someone’s finally listening.

Over the past few years, she tried getting back in her business. But a corporation moved in and is operating far cheaper, using undocumented immigrant labor. I should note: She specifically said she doesn’t hold it against the migrant workers. As she said, “They’ve got to take whatever jobs they can get. Just like we do. It’s not their fault. They didn’t choose to make prices so low that legal businesses couldn’t compete.” She was literally a “job creator”. And she wasbeing priced out by the very people Donald Trump insists are pricing her out. That hurts everyone, and it adds an air of authenticity to what he says.

I asked her if she supports Trump’s Mexico wall. She told me, “It doesn’t matter if I do. Hillary wants a wall, too. That wall’s gonna happen.” She wasn’t simply making this up. She’s heard this from many sources, Clinton being one of them. So to her, the idea of a border wall is a non-issue. I pressed her on the issue, and she said she thinks, “It’s a waste of money. If someone wants to cross the border, they’re gonna cross the border.”

I asked about Trump not paying taxes. She said she wouldn’t pay taxes either, if the government custom-tailored tax laws to let her. I asked about Trump wanting to deport Muslims. She said she doesn’t believe he will. That he’s just talking tough.

I asked what, if she hates Clinton so, she thinks about Trump’s campaign contributions to her. What’d she say? “That’s smart business.” She said if she could afford to bribe politicians to save her more money, she would too. But only because you must to stay competitive. She said it’s an awful system, but you can’t blame people for playing the game the way the rules were written. The people to blame, she said, are the people who wrote the rules. And those people are Clintons (and Bushes, and Obamas).

I asked about Trump’s support of the Iraq War. She said she doesn’t care, that at least he’s willing to call it out now.

I asked her about Trump’s racism. Her answer? “Do you know what the Clintons have done to the blacks?” I asked her to elaborate. She brought up the now famous “superpredators” comment, and mass incarceration. She couldn’t provide many details, but to her, the Clintons meant imprisoning black teens for minor drug offenses. She told me of one black teen she briefly employed, who ended up in prison for a couple of joints. She shook her head in disgust; this clearly hurt her.

This is a person who earned a beautiful house and moderately strong income. A very hard worker. Now, she has no prospects or hope. This is a person tired of being called stupid because she opposes policies like NAFTA. TPP rightly frightens her. I think she’s misguided in her perceptions of what Trump means. But to her, a vote for HRC is a vote for Bill Clinton, Bush, and Obama. And the way things have gone have been disastrous for her, and her community. So anything different looks like it’s worth a try.

I asked her who she thought Hillary Clinton was talking about with her “basket of deplorables” remark. She said, “Me.” I asked why. She shrugged. “I don’t know. Because I don’t live in California or New York and I didn’t go to a fancy college.”

To her, Trump isn’t some perfect savior. She called him, “Kind of an ass.” But, she said, things cannot continue the way they’re going.

To her, support for HRC is support for JP Morgan Chase, who had her forcibly evicted from her home. Or Citigroup, who impounded her car.

A few times, she seemed ashamed of things Trump’s said or done. I’d ask her to unpack her feelings. She said he sometimes upsets her, but “If you wait and wait for a flawless candidate, you’ll never find one.” She said she’d be much prouder to vote for Trump if he’d tone down his rhetoric.

I talked to her a bit about Bernie Sanders, to see what she thought of him. She told me, “He seemed like a nice enough guy. But I didn’t pay him much mind because there was no way he was gonna beat Clinton.” I talked with her about his platform, his policy proposals. She lit up. She told me, “It’s a real shame he didn’t make it.” She told me that if she knew him, his record, and his proposals, she’d have voted for him. I said that since the primary concluded, Hillary’s shifted some to adopt policies similar to his, and I asked if that changed her mind. She told me, “It doesn’t matter what she says. It matters what she’s done.”

No amount of insulting her from an ivory tower is going to change her mind. No amount of guffawing about her lack of education, her self-deception, her racism, or her internalized misogyny is going to change her mind. The only thing she’ll listen to is a promise of real change to the system that’s hurt her. If the Democratic Party can’t offer her a viable alternative, we’re going to see another neck-and-neck election in 2020, and in 2024, and in 2028.

These people need a populist answer. They need someone willing to listen to their very real concerns, and offer solutions that don’t look like Band-Aids on bullet wounds. If they had that on the left, we wouldn’t even be discussing Ohio as a “swing state”.

Right now, this is the discourse we’re seeing about Trump supporters. This only emboldens those attitudes. To people like her, this feels like the left is laughing at her for her unwillingness to get in line and support the things that have left her broke and broken.

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

This article pretty much nails the reason for the "Trump phenomena."

GREAT article!!! I feel for this person. It's important to understand that it's not just racists and idiots.

She’s swept up in Trump’s message because she feels someone’s finally listening.

But I wish they'd asked her what she thinks Trump is going to DO to improve things.

She's got real problems and grievances. She feels like someone's listening. Trump's not part of the club that brought things on. But what does she think he's going to DO differently?

She said it’s an awful system, but you can’t blame people for playing the game the way the rules were written.

My worry is this: That to Trump, the presidency is just "playing the game". That his only interest is in a big, fat tax cut that nets his family $$$$. Wouldn't that make him "smart"? Why buy influence when you can be paid to be president?

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

GREAT article!!! I feel for this person.

But I wish they'd asked her what she thinks Trump is going to DO to improve things.

She's got real problems and grievances. She feels like someone's listening. Trump's not part of the club that brought things on. But what does she think he's going to DO differently?

yeah, me too - esp since the same thing happened to me (with ZIRP being the primary culprit)

but 'do differently' ???
thats easy:

he could start with a VERY PUBLIC executive order to demand an IRS audit of the clinton 'charitable' foundation (vs the 'backdoor' weasel tactics that lois lerner& co used to go after the teaparty types)

along with an immediate investigation of the FBI's decision to NOT prosecute hitlery

which, i suspect - is precisely what 'they' are afraid of....

never mind this:

White House Intervened To Suppress Hillary 'Secret Server' Scandal, Leaked Emails Reveal

Newly revealed emails between the White House and State Department reveal that, not only was Obama aware of Hillary's private email server, his administration actively intervened to suppress the story on her behalf.

• Oct 7, 2016 7:03 AM

or HEY!
how about this?

As Day In Court Looms, Corzine Tries To Settle MF Global Fraud For Just $5 Million

Five years after MF Global's collapse after big, levered bets on European bonds blew up leaving a $1.6 billion shortfall in customer funds, WSJ reports former New Jersey Gov. and Goldman Sachs CEO Jon Corzine is nearing a deal to pay $5 million to end a U.S. regulator’s lawsuit.

• Oct 6, 2016 7:50 PM

or maybe this:

Top Military Aide Used Taxpayer Credit Card For "Improper Interactions" On "Hooker Hill"

Pentagon investigation finds that Major General Ron Lewis, former senior military aide to Defense Secretary Ash Carter, used his government issued credit card for, among other things, "improper interactions" with women in an area of Seoul known as "Hooker Hill"

• Oct 6, 2016 7:20 PM

this 'might be interesing'

Leaked Memo Confirms Hillary Was Given Questions Ahead Of Interview

Talk show host Steve Harvey provided Hillary Clinton’s campaign with the exact questions he would ask of Clinton during a February interview, according to an internal campaign memo sent a week before the interview and obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

• Oct 6, 2016 5:14 PM

and 'they' dont EVEN wanna have him start looking into this:

California Becomes First State To Request "Waiver" To Offer Obamacare To Illegal Immigrants

California has become the first state to officially request a waiver from the Department of Health and Human Services to open up Obamacare to illegal aliens. Looks like Joe Wilson (R-SC) was right when he shouted "You Lie!" at Obama back in 2009.

• Oct 6, 2016 4:50 PM

meanwhile, this is one 'just another day in the life'

Hacker Dumps Thousands Of Emails From Close Clinton Insider, Reveals Hillary's New Email Address

The hacking group DCleaks responsible for previously breaching the Soros Foundation, has released thousands of emails taken from the personal account of Capricia Penavic Marshall, a long-time close friend and advisor to Hillary Clinton, who worked for years at the State Department.

• Oct 7, 2016 1:08 AM

In another email, this one from June 20, 2015, Clinton appeared to help her niece, Megan Rodham, obtain a passport.
“Hi, Hannah,” she wrote to aide Hannah Richert. “I just talked to Megan who told me she got to the airport and couldn’t go w Tony and the kids because her passport had expired last week and they had to go w/o her,” the email continues, apparently referring to Clinton’s brother, Tony Rodham.
“She told me you’re trying to get her a new one asap. I’m copying Huma and Capricia to see if they can help too.”
Richert responded that Rodham was “all set.” Clinton thanked her for the help.
* * *
A third email forwarded to Hillary, and originated by Erick Mullen, a PR agent at Mercury, lays out the author's observations on "Dangerous Donald"

* * *
More as we get it, which may take a while as it appears the DCleaks site is being bombarded at this moment.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

http://nypost.com/2016/10/06/fbi-age...clinton-probe/

The most corrupt nominee in history.

[jk]

Re: Major bone with SF2!

I just do not get how any center left person (or anybody else) could prefer HRC to Sanders.

unfortunately, sanders will not be on the ballot.

[Milton Kuo]

Desperation in the HRC Campaign

Here's something I found kind of funny. Scattered among the pitches from Nigerian princes; hot Russian women waiting to meet me; and pharmacies offering big discounts for erectile dysfunction treatments, I received the following message (hyperlinks and images removed to not benefit these scum):

In less than five weeks, America will elect its new president—and, in doing so, set a course for the future of the United States that will last for generations. To those of us who believe in the need for a rational, experienced, proactive leader, the choice seems simple. Yet, although Donald Trump continues to demonstrate how astonishingly unfit he is for the job, he remains dangerously close to taking the presidency.

If you agree that the American ideals of freedom, justice, opportunity, and equality for all are too important to toss aside, I urge you to help stop this impulsive, bullying, reckless man from becoming the most powerful force in the world. Now more than ever, we need your help to make sure that Hillary Clinton becomes the 45th president of our United States.

The stakes are just too high to sit back and hope for the best. Please join us today in supporting Hillary’s campaign to keep Donald Trump out of the White House by contributing here or volunteering here.

With 30+ years of experience as an activist, lawyer, First Lady of Arkansas and of the United States, senator and Secretary of State, Hillary has the knowledge, temperament, and skills to lead this great country. She has proven time and again that she’s fighting for all Americans regardless of race, religion, sexual orientation, or economic status. Click here to learn more about Hillary’s remarkable career in public service.

Secretary Clinton’s running mate, Tim Kaine, also has a distinguished background as a missionary, civil rights lawyer, mayor, governor, and senator. Tim’s passion is fighting for those who struggle to get their voices heard.Click here to learn more about the breadth and scope of Tim’s accomplishments.

Hillary and Tim have prepared comprehensive policies for the challenges America faces today. Click here to learn more about their positions on job growth, foreign policy, health care, and other pressing issues.

With unprecedented combined experience and a powerful vision for a truly better America, Hillary and Tim represent one of the most qualified presidential tickets in history. Your contribution to their campaign will be used to make the calls, ring the doorbells, and hit the airwaves, and get out the votes. Together, we can work to ensure that Americans make the best choice and elect the candidate who believes in protecting the rights, freedoms, opportunities, and liberty of all Americans. Please donate here.

Thank you.

So in addition to all of the other "anomalies" (unsecure, authorized e-mail servers; inappropriate contact with the AG prior to FBI recommendation into criminal activity, psy-ops through the compromised media) that always seem to follow the Clintons, it seems that they've also now resorted to paying spammers. The e-mail address where I received this garbage is fairy well-guarded and is one I generally do not share with friends for fear of one of them being stupid enough to get their computers infected.

What next? Will Team HRC find a way to vote for me come November 8?

[vt]

Re: Desperation in the HRC Campaign

I've changed the words on the ad to reflect the true picture of both of these idiots running for President:

"In less than five weeks, America will elect its new president—and, in doing so, set a course for the future of the United States that will last for generations. To those of us who believe in the need for a rational, experienced, proactive leader, too bad. Although Donald Trump is at least unfit as I am for the job, he remains dangerously close to taking the presidency because virtually no one is enthusiastic about me. On November 9th the country will wake up to the disgusting recognition that America is screwed.

If you agree that the American ideals of freedom, justice, opportunity, and equality for all are too important to toss aside, I urge you to look for another country to move to. Now more than ever, we need your help to make sure that neither one of us ever touch the nuclear codes.

The stakes are just too high to sit back and hope for the best. Please look for a write in candidate that may by a miracle get 34% of the vote to save the nation from Donald and Hillary.

Despite 30+ years of experience as an activist, lawyer, First Lady of Arkansas and of the United States, senator and Secretary of State, Hillary still lacks the knowledge, temperament, and skills to lead this great country. She has proven time and again she has no skills, sense of organization, or political savvy. Click here to learn more about Hillary’s less than mediocre career in public service.

My running mate, Tim Kaine, has a career as a boot licker and lap dog for some of the worst leaders of the neoliberal faction of what used to be the Democrat party. Tim’s passion for rudeness, interrupting, and acting just plain strange helps to take the spotlight on my numerous failures.

Hillary and Tim have prepared incomprehensible policies that confuses what America faces today. Click here to learn more about their positions on greater unnecessary regulation, meddlesome foreign policy, even more expensive and ineffective health care, and other pressing issues that will be ignored.

With unprecedented experience for screwing things up and a dim vision for a truly better America, Hillary and Tim represent one of the worst presidential tickets in history. Your contribution to their campaign will be used to make the calls, ring the doorbells, and hit the airwaves, and get out the votes to insure we are worth hundreds of million more from robbing the national treasury. Together, we can work to ensure that Americans makes a terrible choice and elects the candidates who believe in protecting the rights of only our supporters. Please pay bribes here.


Thank you."

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

but 'do differently' ???
thats easy:

he could start with a VERY PUBLIC executive order to demand an IRS audit of the clinton 'charitable' foundation (vs the 'backdoor' weasel tactics that lois lerner& co used to go after the teaparty types)

along with an immediate investigation of the FBI's decision to NOT prosecute hitlery

which, i suspect - is precisely what 'they' are afraid of....

never mind this:



or HEY!
how about this?



or maybe this:



this 'might be interesing'



and 'they' dont EVEN wanna have him start looking into this:

Lot's of examples of things Trump could do. But do you think he will? Does he even have any interest in that? Does the president have the power to make those things happen?

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

I believe most of the bad things said about Trump's past and Clinton's past. They are both deplorable and neither should be rewarded with the presidency. But one of them will be.

So, setting aside the desire to punish them for past behavior, I'd like to to hear people's thoughts on their future potentials. What GOOD or BAD things do you believe they might DO as president? Here's my initial list.

Clinton:

• CON - Likely to start wars.
• CON - May sign the TPP.
• CON - May pay Wall St. what she owes them.

Trump:

• CON - Wants tax cuts for the rich (himself).
• CON - Trickle down economics.
• ??? - Will have Pence do most of the work. (Better or worse? Pence is no prize, IMO.)
• CON - Alt Right will be emboldened.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

i, too, oppose trump but i do think there is a "trump phenomenon." it is the rebellion of those who have lost out from globalization, technological advancement and cultural change.

This was the point I was making earlier jk. The ‘phenomenon’ has been going on in the US since the mid 19^th Century. It was Irish Catholics who the ‘Trump phenomenon’ Nativists wanted removed from the US in the 1850s. White privilege is more correctly identified as white protestant privilege. Like the Nativists of the 19^th Century, this is the core group supporting Trump. To call it the Trump phenomenon is to completely misunderstand the history of the US.

there are certainly those among trump supporters who imo are motivated by racial animus. but i have some sympathy for those who have been trashed by the changes our country has undergone.

This may be where our points-of-view part. We are a country of laws. The rule of law is not fairly distributed but it’s far better than the alternative. I too have sympathy for people who cannot navigate this rapid change but I despise those who find solace in this direction. While they are not the criminal, they are the accomplice. They are aiding and abetting. I’ve zero sympathy for this position.

and i think it is to our shame that globalization was sold as an unalloyed good while all its benefits went to the upper few percent, and all its costs were paid by those in the lowest socio-economic strata.

The costs may be paid by the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’ in the US but for the most part, those folks in the US are not white. Almost all Trump voters are white and are not in the ‘lowest socio-economic strata’. You can’t conflate economic position with Trump voters. Also, globalization did not only benefit the top, it benefited a billion or more people at the bottom and brought them up above subsistence. This is a very complex issue and one we should likely discuss on another thread but competition sucks if you’re privileged.

It is not OK to be complicit, an accomplice in the take down of the US system. Trump is the greatest threat since Goldwater and before that the Confederate states. I give no quarter to Trump supporters. To me they are the Goldwater fascists and the Civil War south. As I’ve said before we don’t need to beat them, we need to destroy them so we can move forward.

[Ellen Z]

Re: Trump to win?

Lot's of examples of things Trump could do. But do you think he will? Does he even have any interest in that? Does the president have the power to make those things happen?

That was a list of things that would "get" Hillary. They would lead to a lot of newspaper headlines and Sunday morning talk shows, but I don't see how they would particularly help the Trump supporter who was interviewed by David Hill. She said:

Then there was a domino effect. She couldn’t pay for her lawn-care equipment leases and loans. That hurt her work efficiency. Then, she lost her car. But that didn’t stop the payments. Then, she lost her house. She slowly had to let go all of her employees, until it was just her, hand-mowing lawns for cash the way you might expect a high school student in the summertime. She told me that every week, it seemed there was another default letter, another foreclosure, another bank demanding more blood from her dry veins.

To my mind, that's one example of a systemic process that has been going on throughout the country for two or three decades, and was made stronger by the 2008 crash. I don't blame any one person for it, and I don't think any one person, Trump or Clinton or Sanders, has the ability to turn it around.

[bpr]

Re: Trump to win?

Well, that 80-pages of the most sensitive remarks that needed to be "scrubbed" in Hillary's speeches just landed like a giant campaign ad. Yawn. This is a perfect example of micromanaging a molehill until it becomes a mountain.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

So white protestant nativist Goldwater fascists and Confederate revanchists have made common cause to take down the US system by

1. Opposing a white protestant Midwestern Goldwater activist born in an all-white upper middle class Republican suburb and
2. Advancing a white protestant New York Yankee born in an all-white upper middle class Republican suburb.

I'm sorry, but this strikes me as a most bizarre narrative. I suppose it's necessary to concoct something so out of bounds with reality if one really sees this as Armageddon or a new Civil War. In that context give no quarter means an absence of mercy and the intent to kill your enemy even as they raise their arms in unconditional surrender. This intent to "destroy them so we can move forward" has such a "final solution" ring to it. I would call it out for the shame it is, but people who hold it are likely debased beyond shame.