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    Dear iTulip,

    Maybe my brain was sucked out of my skull while watching the movie remake of "Miami Vice" on TV last night, but this morning I woke up completely unable to comprehend the following financial press factoid I saw repeated in the morning paper: "Home prices suffer their the first national price decline since The Great Depression."

    Maybe I'm just friggin' stupid, but wasn't there something else also going on when housing prices were falling nationally during The Great Depression–such as, you know, an economic depression? Doesn't this report beg the question, if housing prices are declining now when the U.S. economy is supposedly "booming," according to this report and that report, what the heck is going to happen to housing prices if the U.S. economy actually goes into recession? Am I missing something?

    Signed,
    Confused in Illinois


    Dear Confused,

    No, you're not stupid, but you need to be when watching TV news, so we recommend your favorite Scotch or whatever it takes to dumb yourself down enough to understand the way the economy is reported there.

    Before you do, take a look at the chart below. You will see that you are correct that something was going on the last time home prices fell across the country: the economy contracted 27%.


    Now the economy is reportedly growing, albeit at a slow pace, a mere 0.6% in Q1, with Q2 2007 supposedly coming in better. We'll wait for the inevitable downward revision before passing judgement. We figure the GDP numbers are more of the same crap as the CPI and employment numbers. You have to be stupid to believe them. Pass the Scotch.

    While housing sales and prices fall, and consumer spending decreases, there is one number that is growing rapidly and consistently.
    Second Quarter 2007 Marks Fifth Consecutive Quarterly Growth in Consumer Bankruptcies

    BURLINGAME, Calif., July 3 /PRNewswire/ -- The National Bankruptcy Research Center (NBKRC), a subsidiary of Lundquist Consulting, Inc., industry leader in bankruptcy statistics and analytics, releases findings that the second quarter of 2007 marked the fifth consecutive increase in bankruptcy filings since the first quarter of 2006. The second quarter 2007 filings numbered 200,732, an 11.6 percent growth over the first quarter of 2007 and a 40.6 percent growth over the second quarter of 2006.

    On an annualized basis, 1 in every 136 households filed bankruptcy in the second quarter of 2007, as opposed to 1 in every 190 households in the second quarter of 2006.


    This is under the new and improved–for lenders–bankruptcy law that took effect October 17, 2005. It's far more restrictive than the old law, so in theory we should see fewer bankruptcies. That was the whole point of the legislation, right Congress? Or was the point to score points with campaign contributors? Just a hunch.

    ConsumerUnion.org warned in April of that year:
    Bankruptcy bill passed by House will erect harsh new barriers and reward abusive lenders
    ConsumersUnion (April 14, 2005)

    Washington, D.C. — The U.S. House voted 302-126 today for a major bankrutpcy bill that favors creditors at the expense of Americans who have suffered genuine financial misfortune. The measure passed the Senate last month and now goes to President Bush, who is likely to sign it into law.

    The bankruptcy bill (S. 256) would place numerous additional restrictions on Americans who attempt to declare either chapter 7 or chapter 13 bankruptcy (see attached for more information.) Last month, the Senate rejected several amendments to the bill that would have curbed a number of lending abuses and assisted active duty military personnel and veterans in bankruptcy, as well as those who are forced into bankruptcy because of high medical bills. The bill does not contain a single restriction on reckless or predatory lending by creditors.

    “This bill simply doesn’t balance responsibility between families in debt trouble and the creditors whose practices have contributed to the rise in bankruptcies,” said Travis Plunkett, Legislative Director of the Consumer Federation of America. “While credit card companies urge Congress to erect new bankruptcy barriers for many families, their profits are soaring,” he said.

    A large body of evidence links the rise in consumer bankruptcies in the last twenty years directly to an increase in consumer debt. Revolving debt, most of which is credit card debt, increased nearly fifteen-fold from January 1980 through 2004, from $54 billion to $791 billion. The higher the level of consumer debt, the more likely a family is to declare bankruptcy when misfortune strikes.

    Much of this lending boom was fueled by the extension of credit to vulnerable consumers, including young people, lower income Americans and minorities, and the elderly. Some lenders, such as those offering “predatory” mortgage loans, targeted these borrowers with often deceptive offers that had abusive terms.

    “By making it harder for consumers to wipe away abusive loans in bankruptcy, this bill rewards the bottom feeders in the lending industry,” said Ed Mierzwinski, Consumer Programs Director of the U.S. Public Interest Research Group. “These are the firms bombarding college students with high interest credit card offers, or peddling predatory mortgage loans to older Americans, or marketing payday loans at triple digit interest rates to cash strapped members of the military.”

    Credit card companies have reaped substantial profits by targeting riskier borrowers, and are typically the most profitable part of any bank’s operations. According to the investment banking firm R.K. Hammer and Associates, credit card issuers posted the highest profits in 2004 since 1988.

    “Creditor practices are literally driving consumers into default,” said John Rao, staff attorney of the National Consumer Law Center. “I’ve seen case after case of credit card companies loading consumers up with additional charges beyond what was originally owed,” he said. “By the time these people land in bankruptcy, they owe more in interest and fees than they do on the original loan.” (a lending practice that used to be called "packing")

    “This bankruptcy legislation punishes homeowners and actually helps irresponsible creditors collect more of the loans they made to people obviously unable to pay them back,” said Martin Eakes, CEO of the Center for Responsible Lending. “It also is likely to push more homeowners into the arms of predatory lenders,” he said. “Reckless credit card lenders already cover their losses to bankruptcy by charging extremely high rates.”

    “It is particularly ironic that Congress would offer a gift to the credit card industry at a time when it is under fire for punitive business practices, like doubling your interest rate if you are a day late on a payment,” said Linda Sherry of Consumer Action.

    “There is nothing ‘balanced’ about this bill,” said Chanelle Hardy of Consumer Union. “It is unfortunate that creditors have used their political might to push through legislation that will limit access to a fresh start in bankruptcy for many who lose a job, get hit with a major illness or suffer other serious financial misfortunes.”
    Those harsh bankruptcy barriers are not holding back the one out of 136 households that filed last quarter in our "booming" economy. The irony is that when they head to the polls next year, they'll probably vote for another President who could not care less if every single American winds up broke.

    Oh, I forgot. We're already there.
    Is the United States Bankrupt? (pdf)

    Laurence J. Kotlikoff (Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis Review, July/August 2006)

    Is the United States bankrupt? Many would scoff at this notion. Others would argue that financial implosion is just around the corner. This paper explores these views from both partial and general equilibrium perspectives. It concludes that countries can go broke, that the United States is going broke, that remaining open to foreign investment can help stave off bankruptcy, but that radical reform of U.S. fiscal institutions is essential to secure the nation’s economic future.
    So, to answer your question, no you're not stupid. If households are going broke during the boom, you are right to wonder what households and the country are going to do after the party is over.

    Signed,
    Fred
    Last edited by FRED; July 10, 2007, 12:28 PM.
    Ed.

  • #2
    Re: Why is housing falling nationally when the economy is booming?

    Always felt the timing of the Bankruptcy Reform Bill, written I believe in large part by the credit card industry, and the beginning of the acknowledged end of the housing bubble, was no coincidence.

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    • #3
      Re: Why is housing falling nationally when the economy is booming?

      Stupid, confused or just delusional...........
      What, me worry? Most Americans don't seem to believe there's a serious housing slump.

      By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer
      June 21 2007: 2:31 PM EDT

      Despite turmoil in the housing markets that includes record foreclosure numbers, mortgage rate increases and home price depreciation, homeowners don't believe there's a real estate slump, according to a new poll.

      Most - 55 percent - are confident that their homes continued to increase in value compared with a year ago, according to a nationwide telephone survey.

      74 percent of the survey respondents said they were confident that they could sell their home within six months at the price they think it's worth.
      Inventories are increasing in many markets, however - listings now spend an average of more than seven months on the market, up from five or six months last year.

      Looking long-term makes homeowners even more optimistic: 85 percent believe their home will rise in value during the next five years, and 63 percent believe a house is a good investment.
      http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/21/real...ion=2007062114

      I guess the public is still in denial.
      With this attitude it's going to be a long sticky road downwards.

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      • #4
        Re: Why is housing falling nationally when the economy is booming?

        Peter M (how are you liking Australia?), I posted this last night in the bullish Information Thread #129

        Richard Russell, http://ww1.dowtheoryletters.com/ [subscription] 7/09/07


        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Russell
        I believe we are going into an international third phase of the bull market. The third phase is the highly speculative phase. In the third phase of a bull market, stocks may rise faster and farther than what they did during the first and second phases combined. You may be sceptical, you may not be aware of it, you may not know about it -- but I believe the third phase is just about here. I follow 18 world indices, and I'm including a random sampling of six of these indices below. Please study these six daily charts carefully.

        This third phase will not be confined to stocks alone. It will include commodities, gold, silver, diamonds, art, collectibles, selected real estate with an emphasis on commercial real estate, hotels and homes on all coasts everywhere -- and, of course, stocks.

        The third phase will be fed by masses of fiat currency, abnormally low interest rates, modern communications and advanced technology -- plus and a mass psychology of greed and "feel good" aided by a speculation-gambling sentiment on the part of not only the big money interests but also the masses. It will be a once-in-a-generation event -- on a scale never seen before in history.



        If Russell were to be correct, and everything goes up because of inflated dollars/bonars, then pershaps individuals in "denial" may turn out to be correct depending upon their time frame. Six months might be a bit short.

        I bought a house in 1975 for 97K and sold it in 1986 for 290K. Any day before I started reading iTulip, if you had asked me did I make a lot of money on my house, I would have said, "Yes." I've yet to take the time to figure out what may have been the real return, but it did seem that I made money after living in the house for 11 years. I don't know if such experiences will stop happening in the next few years or decades.
        Last edited by Jim Nickerson; July 10, 2007, 10:52 PM.
        Jim 69 y/o

        "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

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        • #5
          Re: Why is housing falling nationally when the economy is booming?

          Jim -

          Russell remains a very astute observer, even after many years. I've never subscribed to his letters but I unhesitatingly accept whatever snippets of his advice appear publically as major signposts.

          Do you recommend Russel's newsletter for actionable advice through this third phase? Sounds like the veritable "crackup boom" he's describing. Is this why he so recently turned bullish? If he sees a crackup boom and he's diving in, the guy keeps a very cool head as an investor.

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          • #6
            Re: Why is housing falling nationally when the economy is booming?

            Originally posted by Lukester View Post
            Jim -

            Russell remains a very astute observer, even after many years. I've never subscribed to his letters but I unhesitatingly accept whatever snippets of his advice appear publically as major signposts.

            Do you recommend Russel's newsletter for actionable advice through this third phase? Sounds like the veritable "crackup boom" he's describing. Is this why he so recently turned bullish? If he sees a crackup boom and he's diving in, the guy keeps a very cool head as an investor.
            Well, my first response is that if Russell is so astute, how is it that he only turned bullish ~4.5 years after what truly was a significant bottom in 10/02? He has his answers, but to me they are his rationalizations, and they don't generate anything in me that would agree with labeling him as astute. Russell writes of this "3rd phase," but I look at any gigantic moves up from where the markets in the US and world are now as surely a repeat of the mania from about Fall, 1998 to March 2000. If one is young and has a sense of having to participate in whatever is the current rave, then surely being long today is the right place to be.

            In the six months or so I have subscribed to his letter, it is difficult to say exactly what specific recommendations he has made. He mentions buying things on pullbacks, but if one were trying to actually track his recommendations, I think it would be difficult. I expect Russell has so much money invested for so long, it is difficult for him to worry much about what things do. If I had 2.5M of new capital coming in a year just from writing my opinions, I wouldn't worry about my or my kids investments. At 83, he is much nearer the end of the road.

            I doubt I'll renew my subscription when it expires.

            I'm not pushing newsletters/advisors, but if someone asked me for an opinion for a decent letter, I'd recommend The Chartist run by Dan. Sullivan. Sullivan is almost mute compared to Russell, but Sullivan is very specific about his recommendations and when to sell holdings. Importantly, he invests his money in the things he recommends and puts up his portfolio in his monthy newsletter. He has been steadfastly bullish since April 2003. You might criticize him for being 4 months off the 10/02 bottom, but he was about 4 years sooner in becoming bullish that has been Russell. Sullivan is a bit further up the beach from you. He's in Seal Beach.
            Last edited by Jim Nickerson; July 12, 2007, 11:22 PM.
            Jim 69 y/o

            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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