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    Multiply the events below by a factor of ten to get a glimpse of this part of the world ten years from now, as non-OPEC oil production begins to decline in earnest and this area becomes the world's lifeline. Then imagine Ron Paul in an upset victory - going to the White House and addressing this miasma without worsening it The US is the largest player there - one misstep and this situation blows up in your face.

    Paradoxically I think Ron Paul is what this country needs to heal a lot of very bad problems at home. We may not survive without his cures administered.

    But if he ever gets into the White House, my feeling is that he will be totally nonplussed and devoid of historic context within which to make decisions for America that are coherent with 60-70 years of our history and foreign policy - he will be nonplussed by the complexities of dealing with events in this part of the world. He could potentially be even more ham-handed than the present incumbent, which is going some already. Good intentions and decency guarantee nothing - zero, nada, zip, null.

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    Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

    DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis


    Pakistan soldiers in burning streets



















    The assassination of Benazir Bhutto, Washington’s chosen linchpin-to-be in Islamabad, was an unmitigated disaster for America’s war on al Qaeda and its jihadist allies in the key Pakistan-Afghan arena. The 27/12 murder closed a cycle sent spinning by al Qaeda’s 9/11 assault on America in the early days of President George W. Bush’s first term.

    It has left him clutching at thin air.

    This single act of violence hit the West as US-led NATO forces suffer one setback after another in Afghanistan and Taliban and a Qaeda are in control of more than 75 percent of the country. It has done more harm than all the evil wrought against US forces by al Qaeda’s ace commander in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the two years before he was slain.

    Al Qaeda left its fingerprints – but typically no trace of the perpetrators. To this day, the master plotters who launched 19 suicide killers against America on Sept. 19, have not been caught, any more than those who engineered the 2004 Madrid rail bombers or the 2005 London transport attacks. The string-pullers of the Bhutto assassination may never come to light.

    For now, Western counter-terror agencies are on tenterhooks for a Osama bin Laden message promised in the next 24-48 hours, in which al Qaeda promises he will divulge its steps for salvaging “Iraq’s Muslim Caliphate,” an oblique reference to US military gains.

    Bin Laden is expected to make some reference to Pakistan as well, since al Qaeda’s strategists do not see their jihad in terms of separate fronts, but as a single interlinked arena stretching across several regions.

    Furthermore, they try never to gamble on a chancy target. Their spadework is lengthy and thorough, consisting of long surveillance to seek out chinks in Western armor, the exploitation of its blunders, advance intelligence-gathering and a strike that leaves no tracks.

    Benazir Bhutto was easy prey. Pakistan’s army and Inter-Service Intelligence are rife with Taliban and al Qaeda sympathizers. For more than a year, US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice bargained with President Pervez Musharraf on terms for a power-sharing deal that would bring the opposition leader back from her eight-year exile into heart of Islamabad politics.

    No great strategic brain was needed to spot the glaring weakness in putting all of America’s eggs for reforming Pakistan’s political and military shortcomings into one basket. The same fallacy mars Rice’s Palestinian strategy: if Mahmoud Abbas is disposed of like Bhutto, US plans for the Eastern Mediterranean go up in smoke like its Asian arena.

    Ahead of the Bhutto assassination, al Qaeda prepared follow-up actions in Iraq and Gaza.

    Two major steps are revealed here by DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources:

    1. The Fatah al-Islam commander Shaker al-Abessi was transferred to Iraq to spearhead a new offensive. Al Abessi commanded the four-month Fatah al-Islam confrontation with the Lebanese army from the Badr al-Nahr camp near Tripoli in the summer of 2007.

    The Lebanese army saved the day and the northern provinces from falling into the hands of this al Qaeda offshoot, only after the US stepped in with assistance and an infusion of weapons. Even then, it took a battle of wits between Adm. William Fallon, chief of US Central Command, and al-Abessi to beat him.

    Even then, al Qaeda had the last word: On Dec. 12, Brig. Gen. Francois el-Hajj, the Lebanese officer who worked with Adm. Fallon, was assassinated.

    Meanwhile, al Qaeda, hoping to build al-Abessi into a second al-Zarqawi, has sent him to establish the “Iraq Front,” a new body for recouping the organization’s trounced forces and turning the tables on the US army. His plan to transit the Syrian-Iraqi border with his top men shows how fragile and uncertain are Washington’s gains in securing joint Syrian-US control of the border.

    2. A large body of the Fatah al-Islam rank and file was transferred from Lebanon to the Gaza Strip, apparently by sea. This week, they were in the thick of the Hamas-Jihad Islami missile and mortar offensive against Israel.
    By these two steps, al Qaeda established support structures for its next two offensives in a region ranging from Afghanistan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west.

    Osama bin Laden’s momentum after Benazir Bhutto was murdered might have been slowed had the Americans reacted rapidly with a combined US-Pakistan military assault on al Qaeda and Taliban strongholds in Pakistan and Afghanistan, on a scale comparable to the post-9/11 campaign. But neither army was ready. The day before the murder, Washington laid plans to boost its special forces presence in Pakistan in the course of 2008.

    In an interview to the Voice of America, Adm. Fallon said: “What we’ve seen in the last several months is more of a willingness to use their regular army units along the Afghan border.” He added: …”and this is where I think we can help a lot in providing the kind of training and assistance and mentoring based on our experience with insurgencies recently and with the terrorist problem in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    This belated plan will have to be re-examined in the anti-Musharraf, anti-US climate prevailing in Pakistan after the Benazir Bhutto tragedy.

    By pushing for elections to be held on Jan. 8 as scheduled, Secretary Rice is making the same mistake as before, when her democratic urge raised up the terrorist Hamas in a Palestinian election two years ago. Musharraf his holding his horses, waiting for Bhutto’s party to meet Sunday, Dec. 30, and decide whether to run or join the boycott declared by the rival Nawaf Sharif. Monday, the election commission convenes for its decision. This process cannot be foisted on Islamabad without risking increased violence directed against the president as an “American puppet.”

    Musharraf was already on a downward slope before Bhutto’s death and his army was falling back in the war on Islamist extremists. DEBKAfile’s sources foresee this process accelerating and opening the way to the takeover by Taleban and al Qaeda of more parts of Pakistan.

    Given this prospect, anxiety over the fate of Pakistan’s estimated 50-60 nuclear warheads is more acute. The Pentagon’s assurance Friday that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is secure under the control of the military would become meaningless if that military turns against the United States. An American operation to pluck that arsenal from terrorist clutches might be fought off by that same military.

    In these circumstances, however badly they are needed for the war against al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq, US special forces will need to be permanently deployed within speedy reach of Pakistan’s nuclear stocks. A single bullet (or blast) has switched the spotlight on the world’s most dangerous nuclear threat from Iran to Pakistan.

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    Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

    i prefer http://www.globalsecurity.org/ over debka. less agenda, more data.

    ron paul is a nice and interesting person, with a good heart and interesting but pedantic ideas. he is not a president. he's not crazy and tough enough. imagine him in a room with putin? putin will eat him for lunch.

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    • #3
      Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

      I especially like the juxtaposition of 27/12 and 9/11.

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        Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

        Thanks Luke
        Yep, that was my reading of it as well. Did you see Bush when he got the news, he was PISSED!

        The WEST tried to "DRop" Our person into the Top slot and from there get a lot of bases to right by the Iran...Er I mean Afgan bonder.

        We want to suround Iran and take the Nukes off Paki people......neither is going to happen.

        I Chess terms its..................Check !
        Mike

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        • #5
          Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

          Originally posted by metalman View Post
          i prefer http://www.globalsecurity.org/ over debka. less agenda, more data.

          ron paul is a nice and interesting person, with a good heart and interesting but pedantic ideas. he is not a president. he's not crazy and tough enough. imagine him in a room with putin? putin will eat him for lunch.
          Agree with the first part.

          Vehemently disagree with the second. Maybe you are right, he's not crazy, but he certainly has been tough enough. Here is a man with a truly independent mind and is a true libertarian, who has been elected multiple times despite many setbacks. I also don't see Ron Paul as being a wuss when it comes to military. Someone like him likely would have been killed in a "plane crash" a long time ago if he didn't have the toughness and smarts to protect his own behind. Put him in a room with Putin, and yes he'll look small.

          Incidentally George Bush is not a president. He is a lackey for certain interests, and he has played his role to a T. How much did oil go up when Bhutto was killed?

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            Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

            Originally posted by Lukester View Post
            Multiply the events below by a factor of ten to get a glimpse of this part of the world ten years from now, as non-OPEC oil production begins to decline in earnest and this area becomes the world's lifeline. Then imagine Ron Paul in an upset victory - going to the White House and addressing this miasma without worsening it The US is the largest player there - one misstep and this situation blows up in your face.

            Paradoxically I think Ron Paul is what this country needs to heal a lot of very bad problems at home. We may not survive without his cures administered.

            But if he ever gets into the White House, my feeling is that he will be totally nonplussed and devoid of historic context within which to make decisions for America that are coherent with 60-70 years of our history and foreign policy - he will be nonplussed by the complexities of dealing with events in this part of the world. He could potentially be even more ham-handed than the present incumbent, which is going some already. Good intentions and decency guarantee nothing - zero, nada, zip, null.

            ___________


            Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

            DEBKAfile Exclusive Analysis


            Pakistan soldiers in burning streets




















            The assassination of Benazir Bhutto, Washington’s chosen linchpin-to-be in Islamabad, was an unmitigated disaster for America’s war on al Qaeda and its jihadist allies in the key Pakistan-Afghan arena. The 27/12 murder closed a cycle sent spinning by al Qaeda’s 9/11 assault on America in the early days of President George W. Bush’s first term.

            It has left him clutching at thin air.

            This single act of violence hit the West as US-led NATO forces suffer one setback after another in Afghanistan and Taliban and a Qaeda are in control of more than 75 percent of the country. It has done more harm than all the evil wrought against US forces by al Qaeda’s ace commander in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in the two years before he was slain.

            Al Qaeda left its fingerprints – but typically no trace of the perpetrators. To this day, the master plotters who launched 19 suicide killers against America on Sept. 19, have not been caught, any more than those who engineered the 2004 Madrid rail bombers or the 2005 London transport attacks. The string-pullers of the Bhutto assassination may never come to light.

            For now, Western counter-terror agencies are on tenterhooks for a Osama bin Laden message promised in the next 24-48 hours, in which al Qaeda promises he will divulge its steps for salvaging “Iraq’s Muslim Caliphate,” an oblique reference to US military gains.

            Bin Laden is expected to make some reference to Pakistan as well, since al Qaeda’s strategists do not see their jihad in terms of separate fronts, but as a single interlinked arena stretching across several regions.

            Furthermore, they try never to gamble on a chancy target. Their spadework is lengthy and thorough, consisting of long surveillance to seek out chinks in Western armor, the exploitation of its blunders, advance intelligence-gathering and a strike that leaves no tracks.

            Benazir Bhutto was easy prey. Pakistan’s army and Inter-Service Intelligence are rife with Taliban and al Qaeda sympathizers. For more than a year, US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice bargained with President Pervez Musharraf on terms for a power-sharing deal that would bring the opposition leader back from her eight-year exile into heart of Islamabad politics.

            No great strategic brain was needed to spot the glaring weakness in putting all of America’s eggs for reforming Pakistan’s political and military shortcomings into one basket. The same fallacy mars Rice’s Palestinian strategy: if Mahmoud Abbas is disposed of like Bhutto, US plans for the Eastern Mediterranean go up in smoke like its Asian arena.

            Ahead of the Bhutto assassination, al Qaeda prepared follow-up actions in Iraq and Gaza.

            Two major steps are revealed here by DEBKAfile’s counter-terror sources:

            1. The Fatah al-Islam commander Shaker al-Abessi was transferred to Iraq to spearhead a new offensive. Al Abessi commanded the four-month Fatah al-Islam confrontation with the Lebanese army from the Badr al-Nahr camp near Tripoli in the summer of 2007.

            The Lebanese army saved the day and the northern provinces from falling into the hands of this al Qaeda offshoot, only after the US stepped in with assistance and an infusion of weapons. Even then, it took a battle of wits between Adm. William Fallon, chief of US Central Command, and al-Abessi to beat him.

            Even then, al Qaeda had the last word: On Dec. 12, Brig. Gen. Francois el-Hajj, the Lebanese officer who worked with Adm. Fallon, was assassinated.

            Meanwhile, al Qaeda, hoping to build al-Abessi into a second al-Zarqawi, has sent him to establish the “Iraq Front,” a new body for recouping the organization’s trounced forces and turning the tables on the US army. His plan to transit the Syrian-Iraqi border with his top men shows how fragile and uncertain are Washington’s gains in securing joint Syrian-US control of the border.

            2. A large body of the Fatah al-Islam rank and file was transferred from Lebanon to the Gaza Strip, apparently by sea. This week, they were in the thick of the Hamas-Jihad Islami missile and mortar offensive against Israel.
            By these two steps, al Qaeda established support structures for its next two offensives in a region ranging from Afghanistan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west.

            Osama bin Laden’s momentum after Benazir Bhutto was murdered might have been slowed had the Americans reacted rapidly with a combined US-Pakistan military assault on al Qaeda and Taliban strongholds in Pakistan and Afghanistan, on a scale comparable to the post-9/11 campaign. But neither army was ready. The day before the murder, Washington laid plans to boost its special forces presence in Pakistan in the course of 2008.

            In an interview to the Voice of America, Adm. Fallon said: “What we’ve seen in the last several months is more of a willingness to use their regular army units along the Afghan border.” He added: …”and this is where I think we can help a lot in providing the kind of training and assistance and mentoring based on our experience with insurgencies recently and with the terrorist problem in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

            This belated plan will have to be re-examined in the anti-Musharraf, anti-US climate prevailing in Pakistan after the Benazir Bhutto tragedy.

            By pushing for elections to be held on Jan. 8 as scheduled, Secretary Rice is making the same mistake as before, when her democratic urge raised up the terrorist Hamas in a Palestinian election two years ago. Musharraf his holding his horses, waiting for Bhutto’s party to meet Sunday, Dec. 30, and decide whether to run or join the boycott declared by the rival Nawaf Sharif. Monday, the election commission convenes for its decision. This process cannot be foisted on Islamabad without risking increased violence directed against the president as an “American puppet.”

            Musharraf was already on a downward slope before Bhutto’s death and his army was falling back in the war on Islamist extremists. DEBKAfile’s sources foresee this process accelerating and opening the way to the takeover by Taleban and al Qaeda of more parts of Pakistan.

            Given this prospect, anxiety over the fate of Pakistan’s estimated 50-60 nuclear warheads is more acute. The Pentagon’s assurance Friday that Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal is secure under the control of the military would become meaningless if that military turns against the United States. An American operation to pluck that arsenal from terrorist clutches might be fought off by that same military.

            In these circumstances, however badly they are needed for the war against al Qaeda in Afghanistan and Iraq, US special forces will need to be permanently deployed within speedy reach of Pakistan’s nuclear stocks. A single bullet (or blast) has switched the spotlight on the world’s most dangerous nuclear threat from Iran to Pakistan.
            Typical DEBKA, always entertaining, some of it useful, some of it highly questionable. The closing line (emphasis mine) is complete nonsense...Pakistan has always been the greater nuclear threat as a perpetually unstable nation in a chronically unstable region, & holding the original "Islamic bomb". The Dec 13, 2001 Pakistan state sponsored attack on India's Parliament House should have been more than enough to dispel any doubts, but that very telling incident was lost on much of the western world in the aftermath of 9/11 and run-up to war in Iraq.

            Keep an eye on Egypt. It has the potential to become a bigger concern with more important implicaitons than any attack on Saudi oil facilities or a revolution that displaces the House of Saud...

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            • #7
              Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

              GRG,

              Welcome back - how was your vacation away from iTulip? :p

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              • #8
                Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                GRG,

                Welcome back - how was your vacation away from iTulip? :p
                Well I managed to avoid the trauma of going cold turkey (no pun intended) by lurking whenever I could find an internet connection

                Not sure if it's New Year euphoria or something else, but can't help but feel it's going to be an interesting and profitable year for this community.

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                • #9
                  Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                  Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                  Typical DEBKA, always entertaining, some of it useful, some of it highly questionable. The closing line (emphasis mine) is complete nonsense...Pakistan has always been the greater nuclear threat as a perpetually unstable nation in a chronically unstable region, & holding the original "Islamic bomb". The Dec 13, 2001 Pakistan state sponsored attack on India's Parliament House should have been more than enough to dispel any doubts, but that very telling incident was lost on much of the western world in the aftermath of 9/11 and run-up to war in Iraq.

                  Keep an eye on Egypt. It has the potential to become a bigger concern with more important implicaitons than any attack on Saudi oil facilities or a revolution that displaces the House of Saud...
                  Greg,

                  Is is feasible with regard to your time to elaborate on your last statement?
                  Jim 69 y/o

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                  • #10
                    Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                    Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
                    Greg,

                    Is is feasible with regard to your time to elaborate on your last statement?
                    Sorry Jim; didn't mean to be cryptic. Egypt has a lot of similarities to Pakistan. No bomb, but some of the same strong-man/police-state issues along with an aging President, Hosni Mubarak, working hard to engineer a succession by his son Gamal, in an allegedly democratic republic, which isn't going down well with many of the 70 million or so Egyptians crammed into the Nile valley.

                    Like Pakistan, the military is the power center in the country, which has been ruled continuously by military leaders since Nassar's coup in '53 (Mubarak is the former head of the Air Force). Maintaining confidence in the army is vital since no one has any confidence in any of the political institutions. Even Egypt's official version of the October 1973 war, for public consumption, is structured around a "great victory" for the army based on it's early success in that failed attempt to oust the Israeli's from the Sinai Peninsula.

                    It's not as visibly unstable as Pakistan, but beneath the surface there's a lot of trouble brewing, kept in check by Mubarak's strong-man methods. Methods so brutal that they raised protest even from the USA over the treatment of opposition leader Ayman Nour after the 2005 Presidential election. Methods that include maintaining the official "state of emergency", and suspension of the right to trial, since Anwar Sadat's murder in 1981. All of this is not a sustainable situation.

                    Like Pakistan, Egypt is a US ally and receives considerable funding to prop up this regime. Recall that Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri, used to head Egypt's Islamic Group, responsible for a number of political and civilian assassinations, including attempts on Mubarak, before merging it into Al Qaeda.

                    A successful terrorist attack on a Saudi oil installation or terminal would, at most, disrupt the flow of some oil for a few weeks or perhaps a month or two. A revolution in Saudi Arabia, that displaces the Al Saud family from power, would be met with a coordinated effort by much of the rest of the world to contain the effects on oil supply, as the loss of that supply would be a problem for many countries, not just the USA.

                    The really big problems always seem to come from unexpected sources. While Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan have been hogging the headlines from the Middle East for years, it's chaotic Pakistan, not Iran, that already has nuclear weapon capability and it's Egypt, not Iraq, that poses a great risk of change to a regime inimitably hostile to western interests in a populous Islamic nation.
                    Last edited by GRG55; January 03, 2008, 04:15 AM.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                      Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                      Sorry Jim; didn't mean to be cryptic. Egypt has a lot of similarities to Pakistan. No bomb, but some of the same strong-man/police-state issues along with an aging President, Hosni Mubarak, working hard to engineer a succession by his son Gamal, in an allegedly democratic republic, which isn't going down well with many of the 70 million or so Egyptians crammed into the Nile valley.

                      Like Pakistan, the military is the power center in the country, which has been ruled continuously by military leaders since Nassar's coup in '53 (Mubarak is the former head of the Air Force). Maintaining confidence in the army is vital since no one has any confidence in any of the political institutions. Even Egypt's official version of the October 1973 war, for public consumption, is structured around a "great victory" for the army based on it's early success in that failed attempt to oust the Israeli's from the Sinai Peninsula.

                      It's not as visibly unstable as Pakistan, but beneath the surface there's a lot of trouble brewing, kept in check by Mubarak's strong-man methods. Methods so brutal that they raised protest even from the USA over the treatment of opposition leader Ayman Nour after the 2005 Presidential election. Methods that include maintaining the official "state of emergency", and suspension of the right to trial, since Anwar Sadat's murder in 1981. All of this is not a sustainable situation.

                      Like Pakistan, Egypt is a US ally and receives considerable funding to prop up this regime. Recall that Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri, used to head Egypt's Islamic Group, responsible for a number of political and civilian assassinations, including attempts on Mubarak, before merging it into Al Qaeda.

                      A successful terrorist attack on a Saudi oil installation or terminal would, at most, disrupt the flow of some oil for a few weeks or perhaps a month or two. A revolution in Saudi Arabia, that displaces the Al Saud family from power, would be met with a coordinated effort by much of the rest of the world to contain the effects on oil supply, as the loss of that supply would be a problem for many countries, not just the USA.

                      The really big problems always seem to come from unexpected sources. While Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan have been hogging the headlines from the Middle East for years, it's chaotic Pakistan, not Iran, that already has nuclear weapon capability and it's Egypt, not Iraq, that poses a great risk of change to a regime hostile to western interests in a populous Islamic nation.
                      After I posted this a thought crossed my mind. Bush Sr. was also a military aviator who helped engineer, in a democratic republic, the succession to the Presidency of one of his sons. Which I recall, right from the outset, didn't go down well with a lot of voters in that country.

                      Maintaining confidence in the military seems to be quite important as confidence in many of the political institutions, like the Administration and Congress, seems to be waning rather rapidly. The official version of the current war, for public consumption, is structured around "mission accomplished" based on the early success over Saddam's Republican Guard.

                      Although the opposition Presidential candidate wasn't tossed in jail, the election, hanging chads and all, ended up in the courts. And don't Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and Guantanamo have some disturbing similarities to a perpetual "state of emergency"?

                      Just a thought... :rolleyes:
                      Last edited by GRG55; January 03, 2008, 04:18 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                        if hilary is elected for 2 terms, by 2016 we'll have had 28 years of a bush or a clinton as president.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          After I posted this a thought crossed my mind. Bush Sr. was also a military aviator who helped engineer, in a democratic republic, the succession to the Presidency of one of his sons. Which I recall, right from the outset, didn't go down well with a lot of voters in that country.

                          Maintaining confidence in the military seems to be quite important as confidence in many of the political institutions, like the Administration and Congress, seems to be waning rather rapidly. The official version of the current war, for public consumption, is structured around "mission accomplished" based on the early success over Saddam's Republican Guard.

                          Although the opposition Presidential candidate wasn't tossed in jail, the election, hanging chads and all, ended up in the courts. And don't Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and Guantanamo have some disturbing similarities to a perpetual "state of emergency"?

                          Just a thought... :rolleyes:
                          Thanks. Now you're making me nervous, and that's not easy.

                          The rise of a military class in the US is a topic I've touched on, as the political and economic implications are profound. Not only is the military beginning to stand out as the most competent US government organization, in the absence of a draft it is also developing into an economic class and important voting block, as well, that is starting to flex some muscle.

                          I noted for example in Recession without Romance (Nov. 21, 2007):
                          Pentagon Warns of Civilian Layoffs If Congress Delays War Funding
                          Nov. 21, 2007 (Jonathan Weisman and Ann Scott Tyson - Washington Post)

                          Democrats Are Firm on Link to Troop Withdrawals From Iraq

                          The Defense Department warned yesterday that as many as 200,000 contractors and civilian employees will begin receiving layoff warnings by Christmas unless Congress acts on President Bush's $196 billion war request, but senior Democrats said no war funds will be approved until Bush accepts a shift in his Iraq policy.
                          Here's what happened:
                          County to get $60 million from U.S. budget

                          Up until the end, Bush had threatened to veto the bill if military funding came with strings attached. Democrats had tried to include conditional funds that tied war funding to eventual military withdrawals from countries.

                          Though the stipulations passed the House on Dec. 17, the Senate voted not to place conditions on the $70 billion in military funding for Iraq and Afghanistan when the final bill passed two days later.
                          The threat appears to have worked; the Pentagon got its money on Dec. 19 when Congress signed the $555B budget into law.

                          Tying military funding to the economy going into an election year is more Argentina than USA, but there it is, and is as clear a recent example as any I can provide of the political nature of inflation.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                            Originally posted by EJ View Post
                            Thanks. Now you're making me nervous, and that's not easy...
                            Well it kept me up late too as you can see by the time of the post...

                            Originally posted by EJ View Post
                            The rise of a military class in the US is a topic I've touched on, as the political and economic implications are profound. Not only is the military beginning to stand out as the most competent US government organization, in the absence of a draft it is also developing into an economic class and important voting block, as well, that is starting to flex some muscle...
                            I find it rather interesting that the "incompetence of (civilian) government" theme has origins that date before Katrina/New Orleans, FEMA and the current Bush Jr administration. I wonder how many remember the intense public criticism his father's administration came under for it's seemingly uncaring, bungled response to the aftermath in Florida from hurricane Andrew in August 1992? Apparently the apple doesn't fall far from the tree...

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                            • #15
                              Re: Bhutto Murder Closes Anti-Terror War Cycle Bush Launched after 9/11

                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              Sorry Jim; didn't mean to be cryptic. Egypt has a lot of similarities to Pakistan. No bomb, but some of the same strong-man/police-state issues along with an aging President, Hosni Mubarak, working hard to engineer a succession by his son Gamal, in an allegedly democratic republic, which isn't going down well with many of the 70 million or so Egyptians crammed into the Nile valley.

                              Like Pakistan, the military is the power center in the country, which has been ruled continuously by military leaders since Nassar's coup in '53 (Mubarak is the former head of the Air Force). Maintaining confidence in the army is vital since no one has any confidence in any of the political institutions. Even Egypt's official version of the October 1973 war, for public consumption, is structured around a "great victory" for the army based on it's early success in that failed attempt to oust the Israeli's from the Sinai Peninsula.

                              It's not as visibly unstable as Pakistan, but beneath the surface there's a lot of trouble brewing, kept in check by Mubarak's strong-man methods. Methods so brutal that they raised protest even from the USA over the treatment of opposition leader Ayman Nour after the 2005 Presidential election. Methods that include maintaining the official "state of emergency", and suspension of the right to trial, since Anwar Sadat's murder in 1981. All of this is not a sustainable situation.

                              Like Pakistan, Egypt is a US ally and receives considerable funding to prop up this regime. Recall that Al Qaeda's No. 2, Ayman Al Zawahiri, used to head Egypt's Islamic Group, responsible for a number of political and civilian assassinations, including attempts on Mubarak, before merging it into Al Qaeda.

                              A successful terrorist attack on a Saudi oil installation or terminal would, at most, disrupt the flow of some oil for a few weeks or perhaps a month or two. A revolution in Saudi Arabia, that displaces the Al Saud family from power, would be met with a coordinated effort by much of the rest of the world to contain the effects on oil supply, as the loss of that supply would be a problem for many countries, not just the USA.

                              The really big problems always seem to come from unexpected sources. While Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan have been hogging the headlines from the Middle East for years, it's chaotic Pakistan, not Iran, that already has nuclear weapon capability and it's Egypt, not Iraq, that poses a great risk of change to a regime inimitably hostile to western interests in a populous Islamic nation.


                              Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                              After I posted this a thought crossed my mind. Bush Sr. was also a military aviator who helped engineer, in a democratic republic, the succession to the Presidency of one of his sons. Which I recall, right from the outset, didn't go down well with a lot of voters in that country.

                              Maintaining confidence in the military seems to be quite important as confidence in many of the political institutions, like the Administration and Congress, seems to be waning rather rapidly. The official version of the current war, for public consumption, is structured around "mission accomplished" based on the early success over Saddam's Republican Guard.

                              Although the opposition Presidential candidate wasn't tossed in jail, the election, hanging chads and all, ended up in the courts. And don't Homeland Security, the Patriot Act, and Guantanamo have some disturbing similarities to a perpetual "state of emergency"?

                              Just a thought...
                              Thought it might be timely to return to this old thread...could be an interesting year.

                              I've been in the Persian Gulf since New Year. Interesting vantage to observe the reaction from the January 3rd assassination of Salman Taseer, Governor of the Punjab Province in Pakistan, and now the fallout from Tunisia as it spreads through the region...
                              Pakistani Lawyers Make Governor's Assassin A Hero


                              January 14, 2011

                              Following the assassination of a governor in Pakistan last week, some people hoped the shooting would galvanize opposition to religious extremists. The governor had been killed for opposing a blasphemy law, under which a Christian woman was sentenced to death. Instead, the assassin has turned into something of a national hero. Pakistani journalist Ahmed Rashid talks to Steve Inskeep about why hundreds of lawyers have sided with the killer...


                              50,000 Gather to Protest in Karachi

                              Published on January 14, 2011

                              Shouting anti-government slogans, thousands of people on Sunday marched here in Pakistan’s financial capital to oppose any amendments in the controversial blasphemy laws and praised the man charged with killing Punjab governor Salmaan Taseer who dubbed it as “black law”.

                              Pakistani protesters warn pope over blasphemy laws

                              By Reza Sayah, CNN
                              January 15, 2011 -- Updated 0001 GMT (0801 HKT)

                              Rawalpindi, Pakistan (CNN) -- At a frenzied Friday rally in this garrison city outside of Islamabad, thousands warned Pope Benedict XVI to keep his nose out of the debate over Pakistan's blasphemy laws.

                              The demonstration came days after the Vatican called for Pakistan to repeal the controversial laws that say anyone who defiles the name of the Muslim prophet Mohammed should face the death penalty or life imprisonment.

                              "If you challenge the prophet, we will take revenge. It doesn't matter who does it," shouted a cleric on loudspeakers to thousands of cheering onlookers.

                              Pakistan's blasphemy laws came into sharp focus when a security guard allegedly killed his boss Salman Taseer, the governor of Pakistan's Punjab province, who criticize the laws.

                              Since the shooting, hardline religious groups have held demonstrations praising suspected killer Muhammad Mumtaz Qadri -- who Pakistan's Interior Minister says confessed to the killing -- calling him a hero and a defender of Islam...




                              Arab activists hope Tunisia uprising brings change



                              By HADEEL AL-SHALCHI, Associated Press Hadeel Al-shalchi, Associated Press Fri Jan 14, 5:12 pm ET

                              CAIRO – Arab activists celebrated the anti-government protests that ousted Tunisian President Zine El Abidine Ben Ali on Friday as the uprising raised hopes for similar change in other countries accused of having repressive regimes.

                              Thousands of messages congratulating the Tunisian people flooded the Internet on Twitter, Facebook and blogs, and many people replaced their profile pictures with red Tunisian flags.

                              Dozens of Egyptian activists opposed to President Hosni Mubarak's three-decade regime danced outside the Tunisian Embassy in Cairo, chanting "Ben Ali, tell Mubarak a plane is waiting for him too!"

                              Mubarak, 82, faces mounting dissatisfaction over the lack of democratic reform and frequent protests over economic woes in the country, a key US ally.


                              Egyptian human rights activist Hossam Bahgat said he was glued to the news watching the fall of the Tunisian government and hoped that his countrymen could do the same someday.

                              "I feel like we are a giant step closer to our own liberation," he told The Associated Press. "What's significant about Tunisia is that literally days ago the regime seemed unshakable, and then eventually democracy prevailed without a single Western state lifting a finger."

                              Bahgat said the events in Tunisia would boost the confidence of opposition members in a region where leaders often rule for life.

                              "What happened in Tunisia ... will give unimaginable momentum to the cause for change in Egypt," he said...

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