Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

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http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=172276

[nicmakaveli]

Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

wow thanks for that, I can see my office and my house from here, awesome picture, how'd you take it?

[mliu_01]

Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

a lot of cities are just like that, hmm, in a smaller scale.

[cbr]

Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

I understand that 25 years ago the tallest building was the British Colonial (brick, about 8 stories) in the Bund... is that right?

My time there was mainly at La Meridian and the Jin Jiang Tower...

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a lot of cities are just like that, hmm, in a smaller scale.

You're right. But I'm not looking how modern or impressive the city is - what I am seeing is the population density - high density can give rise to a consumer economy - which means $$$$.

I estimate that Shanghai population exceeds 30 million. The official population on paper is only 19 million - which is an impossible figure based on city size and density as compared to other cities.

If you add in other nearby cities like Nanjing, Kunshan, Wuxi, Suzhou, Ningbo, Hangzhou that are accessible within 1 hour commute (by fast rail), the total urban population may well exceed 80 million people, the population of Germany, with a mixed economy (not just manufacturing), but also finance, ports, tourism, retail and services.

These are 80 million educated people with high school or college education, with jobs, with high speed band Internet, not living in slumps or working on the fields and living in a place safe enough for women to walk on the city streets past midnight. Having 80 million people within commute distance is unprecedented in mankind history.


Nanjing city, 1 hr by fast rail from Shanghai, another 7-8 million urban dwellers:



Ref: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1056139



Hangzhou city, also 1 hr from Shanghai, another 5 million urban dwellers.



Ref: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1216003

[bill]

Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

These are 80 million educated people with high school or college education, with jobs, with high speed band Internet, not living in slumps or working on the fields. Having 80 million people within commute distance is unprecedented in history.

So, what they going to fill a 800 sq ft condo with,,,Electronics?

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So, what they going to fill a 800 sq ft condo with,,,Electronics?

A city can generate a lot of "jobs". Contractors, plumbers, restaurant waiter, waitresses, brokers, janitors, repairmen of all sorts, all the usual stuff you can find in any city.

[c1ue]

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A city can generate a lot of "jobs". Contractors, plumbers, restaurant waiter, waitresses, brokers, janitors, repairmen of all sorts, all the usual stuff you can find in any city.

Except no one working any of those jobs can afford to live in any of these buildings. Or possibly even in the central part of Shanghai itself.

[Serge_Tomiko]

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So, what they going to fill a 800 sq ft condo with,,,Electronics?

I live in a 450 SF apartment in Manhattan and have a fair amount of expensive consumer electronics, clothing, and even a few original pieces of art. What other expensive items does one need? I'd rather spend my cash on taking vacations or enjoying life.

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Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

Except no one working any of those jobs can afford to live in any of these buildings. Or possibly even in the central part of Shanghai itself.

In that case, then the price must collapse. What is important is they are built in the first place. A bubble doesn't reverse the fact that urbanization is good for economic growth.

[bill]

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I live in a 450 SF apartment in Manhattan and have a fair amount of expensive consumer electronics, clothing, and even a few original pieces of art. What other expensive items does one need? I'd rather spend my cash on taking vacations or enjoying life.

Sounds about right.
http://www.capitalvue.com/home/CE-ne...3/post/1278171

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_11822310.htm

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Sounds about right.
http://www.capitalvue.com/home/CE-ne...3/post/1278171

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_11822310.htm

There is a big difference between the european or japanese mindset and the chinese. These ppl are not just touring. they are also looking for biz or work opportunities.

To the European, a tour along the beaches of Thailand maybe a relaxing holiday, to the Chinese, holiday aside, they maybe watching for business opportunities, to setup a factory to tap into low cost labor, or setup a shop selling made in China "Thai souvenirs" to tourists.

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Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

Shenzhen city, 1 hr by rail from Hong Kong. 8-10 million urban dwellers.



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=70554729

[Starving Steve]

Re: Coruscant like paranoma view taken from 38th floor of Hilton, Shanghai

"Oklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain, and the waving wheat can sure smell sweet when the wind comes right behind the rain...." ( from the Broadway musical, Oklahoma, released in 1954 )

I don't want to be a divergent-thinker just to be a divergent-thinker, because I truly am amazed at what China has accomplished in recent years.... But "Live free or die," is my motto. Everyone needs the freedom to be eccentric and to just have and OWN land.

I like the "harmoneous orchestra" vision of China, but I like open spaces and land. I like to OWN something, especially land or gold or oil. I don't understand why that is, but it is...... This is part of freedom, and it is why I live in Canada or America..... Nevertheless, I do admire China.

Thank you for the great pictures. "Success speaks for itself," is an old saying, but how does China treat eccentrics and those with divergent or contrary-views? Are there investigative reporters in the Chinese newspapers or Chinese media?
How are they treated by their government?

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Thank you for the great pictures. "Success speaks for itself," is an old saying, but how does China treat eccentrics and those with divergent or contrary-views? Are there investigative reporters in the Chinese newspapers or Chinese media?
How are they treated by their government?

China is still at the early stage. If you want to know about freedom, you should check Singapore first.

Brainwashing is a very powerful communist political tool, if you haven't experienced it, you won't understand it.

Like in communist China, brainwashing in Singapore starts from birth. From preschool, kids are opposed to government propaganda, school lessons are crafted to glorify and enforce the legitimacy of the party and to condemn the fallen political opponents. The party is involved in all neighborhood activities, not just political but also recreational and even sports events. All these measures can legitimize autocracy in the eyes of the populace.

For people born in such an environment, freedom is worthless.