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    In-f****-credible!
    These are the %&$*# that run the country, world and teach us all ...:mad:

    White house, IMF, Harvard .... oh yeah they must be right ...:eek:

    I love these quotes (actually not; they make me want to puke):

    "going off the gold standard freed policy makers to fight the depression"

    "inflation promises would get people to borrow and spend more"



    May 19 (Bloomberg) -- What the U.S. economy may need is a dose of good old-fashioned inflation.
    So say economists including Gregory Mankiw, former White House adviser, and Kenneth Rogoff, who was chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. They argue that a looser rein on inflation would make it easier for debt-strapped consumers and governments to meet their obligations. It might also help the economy by encouraging Americans to spend now rather than later when prices go up.
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    “I’m advocating 6 percent inflation for at least a couple of years,” says Rogoff, 56, who’s now a professor at Harvard University. “It would ameliorate the debt bomb and help us work through the deleveraging process.”
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    Lifting Prices, Wages
    Even after all the Fed has done to stimulate the economy, some economists argue that it needs to do more and deliberately aim for much faster inflation that would also lift wages.
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    Given the Fed’s inability to cut rates further, Mankiw says the central bank should pledge to produce “significant” inflation. That would put the real, inflation-adjusted interest rate -- the cost of borrowing minus the rate of inflation -- deep into negative territory, even though the nominal rate would still be zero.
    If Americans were convinced of the Fed’s commitment, they’d buy and borrow more now, he says.
    Mankiw, currently a Harvard professor, declines to put a number on what inflation rate the Fed should shoot for, saying that the central bank has computer models that would be useful for determining that.
    Gold Standard
    In advocating that the Fed commit itself to generating some inflation, Mankiw, 51, likens such a step to the U.S. decision to abandon the gold standard in 1933, which freed policy makers to fight the Depression.
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    Easier Debt Repayment
    Inflationary increases in wages -- and the higher income taxes they generate -- would make it easier to pay off debt at all levels.
    “There’s trillions of dollars of debt, in mortgage debt, consumer debt, government debt,” says Rogoff, who was chief economist at the Washington-based IMF from 2001 to 2003. “It’s a question of how do you achieve the deleveraging. Do you go through a long period of slow growth, high savings and many legal problems or do you accept higher inflation?”
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    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...RV8&refer=home

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    Re: Inflation to solve all

    Add Krugman to the list. My only question, did he ever say this before the closed-door session at the White House with Roubini and President Obama a couple of weeks ago?

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/200...iquidity-trap/

    But what if China doesn’t spend more, but just reallocates its reserves from dollars to, say, euros? The answer is, that’s also good for us: a weaker dollar will help our exports, at Europe’s expense.

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    • #3
      Re: Inflation to solve all

      exactly how friggin predictable can these idiots be? isn't this what itulip's been saying for years... these morons will change 'orthodoxy' & inflate us out?

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      • #4
        Re: Inflation to solve all

        Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
        In-f****-credible!
        These are the %&$*# that run the country, world and teach us all ...:mad:

        White house, IMF, Harvard .... oh yeah they must be right ...:eek:

        I love these quotes (actually not; they make me want to puke):

        "going off the gold standard freed policy makers to fight the depression"

        "inflation promises would get people to borrow and spend more"



        May 19 (Bloomberg) -- What the U.S. economy may need is a dose of good old-fashioned inflation.
        So say economists including Gregory Mankiw, former White House adviser, and Kenneth Rogoff, who was chief economist at the International Monetary Fund. They argue that a looser rein on inflation would make it easier for debt-strapped consumers and governments to meet their obligations. It might also help the economy by encouraging Americans to spend now rather than later when prices go up.
        ...
        ...
        “I’m advocating 6 percent inflation for at least a couple of years,” says Rogoff, 56, who’s now a professor at Harvard University. “It would ameliorate the debt bomb and help us work through the deleveraging process.”
        ...
        ...
        Lifting Prices, Wages
        Even after all the Fed has done to stimulate the economy, some economists argue that it needs to do more and deliberately aim for much faster inflation that would also lift wages.
        ...
        ...
        Given the Fed’s inability to cut rates further, Mankiw says the central bank should pledge to produce “significant” inflation. That would put the real, inflation-adjusted interest rate -- the cost of borrowing minus the rate of inflation -- deep into negative territory, even though the nominal rate would still be zero.
        If Americans were convinced of the Fed’s commitment, they’d buy and borrow more now, he says.
        Mankiw, currently a Harvard professor, declines to put a number on what inflation rate the Fed should shoot for, saying that the central bank has computer models that would be useful for determining that.
        Gold Standard
        In advocating that the Fed commit itself to generating some inflation, Mankiw, 51, likens such a step to the U.S. decision to abandon the gold standard in 1933, which freed policy makers to fight the Depression.
        ...
        ...
        Easier Debt Repayment
        Inflationary increases in wages -- and the higher income taxes they generate -- would make it easier to pay off debt at all levels.
        “There’s trillions of dollars of debt, in mortgage debt, consumer debt, government debt,” says Rogoff, who was chief economist at the Washington-based IMF from 2001 to 2003. “It’s a question of how do you achieve the deleveraging. Do you go through a long period of slow growth, high savings and many legal problems or do you accept higher inflation?”
        ...
        ...

        http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...RV8&refer=home
        These are the inflationists who rode into Washington with the Republicans ( the Repukes ) and took-up the top jobs at the Fed or as advisors to the latter George Bush. Notice that they either have worked in these top jobs or have gone to the economics departments or business departments of the nation's major universities. This is why we can't shake the inflation and the debt spiral, and why the entire world has now been thrown into depression.

        Take a good read.... In the past, inflationists such as these have stayed in the background, afraid that the public would catch-on to their scam. But now, for some reason, these inflationists are coming out into the open and advocating inflation, even accelerating inflation as credible monetary policy. Amazing!
        Last edited by Starving Steve; May 19, 2009, 11:35 AM.

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        • #5
          Re: Inflation to solve all

          Originally posted by Starving Steve View Post
          These are the inflationists who rode into Washington with the Republicans ( the Repukes ) and took-up the top jobs at the Fed or as advisors to the latter George Bush. Notice that they either have worked in these top jobs or have gone to the economics departments or business departments of the nation's major universities. This is why we can't shake the inflation and the debt spiral, and why the entire world has now been thrown into depression. Take a good read.... In the past, these inflationists have stayed in the background, but now, for some reason, they are coming out into the open and advocating inflation, even accelerating inflation.
          steve... the more things change...

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          • #6
            Re: Inflation to solve all

            inflation makes debts easier to pay off? And that's the plan, more inflation? Wow, what a little known secret :eek:

            Afraid a black helicoptor will take me away during the night now that I've spilled the beans

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            • #7
              Re: Inflation to solve all

              They understand inflation. They've fought it before and vanquished it. Deflation however is a whole 'nother animal that they feel powerless against.

              I think Marc Faber has it right. It's not that the stock market is a leading economic indicator. World stock markets are rising in the teeth of collapsing industrial production, rising unemployment, the worst-ever home starts (last month in the US) with no trough in sight. It ain't the economy, stupid. It's the Fed causing financial asset inflation. All that money is going somewhere after all.

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              • #8
                Re: Inflation to solve all

                Originally posted by grapejelly View Post
                inflation makes debts easier to pay off? And that's the plan, more inflation? Wow, what a little known secret :eek:

                Afraid a black helicoptor will take me away during the night now that I've spilled the beans
                you'd never know it reading moe ackerman, curly shedlock & larry denninger the three deflationsitas...

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                • #9
                  Re: Inflation to solve all

                  Easier Debt Repayment
                  Inflationary increases in wages -- and the higher income taxes they generate -- would make it easier to pay off debt at all levels.
                  I have to say that inflation is the finest magic bullet available. It raises the GDP without the need for anybody to lift even a pinky finger to produce anything more. To the extent that wages are a significant input to the costs of a corporation, inflation raises the sales price of the product while wages stagnate. In fact, not only does peoples' labor get relatively cheaper, rising prices make them less lazy and more motivated to work harder for a few percent more hours just to keep their heads above water. Productivity increases while relative labor cost decreases. Even stocks might rise a bit as inflation increases the asset price. Inflation also makes companies look to foreign suppliers for cost cutting since otherwise the prices of domestic parts and services would be gradually increasing. Expected returns on investments will have to rise as inflation decreases the effective interest rates, probably to negative territory. Therefore, companies that can avoid investing in their business in the US can save all that nasty increased interest and make more money. In fact, investing in your company will mostly be a bad move because few businesses will be able to beat the inflation rate with their profitability.

                  I will believe a real commitment to inflation when I see Congress pass a law that specifically permits the Feds to inflate the currency by some percentage AND assures that the minimum wage rises every 6 months to keep up with inflation. Yes, we all know the CPI in its various disguises is bogus, but even indexing wages to the underestimated CPI would give the powers that be a bit of pause.

                  For the past almost thirty years, the common man has waited patiently for the invisbile hand to raise wages to keep up with the relatively minor inflation resulting from the bubbles. I think it would be a good idea to legislate inflation and a Visible Hand to raise wages at the same time. Then one could see how popular an idea it really is.

                  Now, I know somebody will feel compelled to step forward and say that if wages increase, we will lose even more in our competition with other countries. With real crocodile tears flowing down their faces they will explain how people will lose their jobs and this just has to be a wage-less inflation or the world will end. Their logic and the greater comfort of the powers that be will prevail, inflation will be loosed, living standards will drop precipitously because salaries will continue to stagnate, those Americans who have jobs will work more hours to stay above water, and nobody will be able to pay off any more debts. Who wins? I frankly don't know but I have a feeling that somebody does know how to win in this mess.

                  Other than the no-brainer PM play, any other ideas how to win, folks?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Inflation to solve all

                    [quote=due_indigence;98566]They understand inflation. They've fought it before and vanquished it. Deflation however is a whole 'nother animal that they feel powerless against.

                    An Ituliper said it best on another thread; to paraphrase "Deflation is kryptonite for the debt-as-money system". Whether they succeed at producing inflation in the face of contraction of the shadow banking system remains to be seen.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Inflation to solve all

                      Originally posted by babbittd View Post
                      Add Krugman to the list. My only question, did he ever say this before the closed-door session at the White House with Roubini and President Obama a couple of weeks ago?

                      http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/200...iquidity-trap/
                      He certainly did. He have been wanting inflation for as long as I can remember, both for japan in the 90-s and for the US earlier this year ,he have been praising the seventies, he is really no hard money fan, however, what most fail to see, is that the "bubble economy", is also a bubble in living standards. So going "off and devalue", is just the way it have to be. There is no alternative to it.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Inflation to solve all

                        On GOLD, if there will be a moment like in spring 1930, where gold starts turning into a bubble, where the stock market tumble ,it's approaching very fast. Gold is rock solid as it is now. It certainly looks like it is on the way up. The only question is if it will retrace as stocks climb further in a 1975-1976 type recovery, or if gold will behave as the nasdaq from 1999-2000, while stocks crash, possibly together with bonds, and gold turning into a huge bubble. That is the scenario that will look like 1930-1932.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Inflation to solve all

                          Originally posted by nero3 View Post
                          On GOLD, if there will be a moment like in spring 1930, where gold starts turning into a bubble, where the stock market tumble ,it's approaching very fast. Gold is rock solid as it is now. It certainly looks like it is on the way up. The only question is if it will retrace as stocks climb further in a 1975-1976 type recovery, or if gold will behave as the nasdaq from 1999-2000, while stocks crash, possibly together with bonds, and gold turning into a huge bubble. That is the scenario that will look like 1930-1932.
                          huh? how can gold be a 'bubble' ala 1930? gov't set the gold price. very pedestrian use of the word 'bubble' ala msm = a thing that rises fast in price. symbols called oil a bubble, neglecting all of the other commodities that also went up. it was a weak $$$ thing with hedgies pushing it. the nasdaq was a fire econ event. gold will never be.

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                          • #14
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                            Originally posted by metalman View Post
                            huh? how can gold be a 'bubble' ala 1930? gov't set the gold price. very pedestrian use of the word 'bubble' ala msm = a thing that rises fast in price. symbols called oil a bubble, neglecting all of the other commodities that also went up. it was a weak $$$ thing with hedgies pushing it. the nasdaq was a fire econ event. gold will never be.
                            Gold was fixed, gold mining companies was not. It was not because of the fixed gold price those mining companies did well.

                            On bubble.
                            Maybe it can be. There is a huge hedge fund inflow into gold lately. Lots of money going into gold from hedge funds. Gold was behaving like bubble in 1980. Gold can behave as a bubble again. Nasdaq held up extremely well during the 98 turbulence. gold sold off. This time it have been the other way around. That strength, could be an indication of a bubble.
                            Last edited by nero3; May 20, 2009, 03:09 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Inflation to solve all

                              Originally posted by nero3 View Post
                              Gold was fixed, gold mining companies was not. It was not because of the fixed gold price those mining companies did well.
                              incorrect. gold mining companies did well in 1930 on because the government fixed the gold price but not the price of any other metal.. the rest went down. gold miners did even better after fdr jacked the price up 70%. how'd you like to have been an insider on that deal?
                              On bubble.
                              Maybe it can be. There is a huge hedge fund inflow into gold lately. Lots of money going into gold from hedge funds.
                              rumor or fact? got evidence?

                              99.99% of everything said about gold is unsubstantiated rumor. all i care about was explained here 8 yrs ago, so long as it's still true.

                              Gold was behaving like bubble in 1980. Gold can behave as a bubble again. Nasdaq held up extremely well during the 98 turbulence. gold sold off. This time it have been the other way around.
                              that's my point. not every thing that goes up is a bubble. true bubbles, as ej explained 10 ways from sunday for 10 yrs, do not come back... nasdaq 5000, for example... housing for a generation. gold was not a bubble in 1980 and will never be per the itulip definition... it takes gov't to make a true bubble and gov't hates gold... taxes it as a collectible, etc.

                              google site:itulip.com gold

                              and read up on it all.

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